From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Eilert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:02:02 -0300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279047747 29050 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 19:02:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: fplemma@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , miles@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, John Yates To: Bernardo Barros Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 21:02:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYkkH-00043L-Hr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:02:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33795 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYkkG-0004j3-Uh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:02:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42440 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYkk9-0004gu-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYkk7-00068u-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:02:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:48533) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYkk4-00067W-PI; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so7758631iwn.0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ju0tlrArgxEfh2x0PzI1tvBqZLY1HRR14dXoYjcbSG8=; b=U2xgdtOPsm4qMJqOY6NmsQeHraAC0TVwJ7M+KtUzrxRMDoLIWQzPIHdwcGLJTAgGv7 ZE4iH8cnN36DpHjbgbn9WodVGFOZfspmMI8gM7i/sFHj2RDmZtygG3O48Y5gLb7PHa9R ksz1lKSLrAf/v74cWSfQn6Pu/EykjbCSiBOxk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=RNGYeBx2E97PFNdR9Ytb9BAnIkgMhdhwAcn2ws7j6qM/zd/FtCH87TezLRgOM3F8bt WHmxLu0LfgGe5OPbKb8poYPhEt0HsOQPofliOLQcWB8iS2T1g3tztSK1OiPu2BxNdOrr zYb/RT+HoGyXB0LAYvdW4WW5uYPOrcWfu1HYA= Original-Received: by 10.231.161.73 with SMTP id q9mr16396947ibx.70.1279047722991; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.149.73 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127207 Archived-At: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote: > many people in the gnu world are using qt4. are there reasons not to > consider it? > Does it matter? You see, it is not like Emacs has stretched GTK's capabilities to the limit. Actually there isn't much being used: menu, the window itself, scrollbars and a very primitive toolbar (that I always turn off), as far as I can tell. What about exposing Cairo bindings (GTK already uses it, so it is not exactly a new dependency, only the headers) to elisp so that we can actually draw a prettier user interface? Things like real lines instead of "-" for the modeline (and a better looking modeline itself), better looking widgets (the horrendous fake buttons created by customize, for example), better fringe layer or even, say, an UML mode with good-looking classes. And perhaps a cute speedbar. Yes, looks do matter. Most Emacs screenshots look kinda dated and primitive - and this carries over to the overall perception. I've added hundreds of lines to my .emacs for looks alone, but I can't draw something better programatically. --Stephen Sent from my Emacs