From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:26:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280755653 19500 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2010 13:27:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Tom , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 02 15:27:27 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofv37-00085y-28 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:27:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49850 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ofv36-00044Q-CA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44395 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ofv30-000448-8v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:27:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofv2y-0004Dq-QC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:63775) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofv2y-0004Dj-LU; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:27:16 -0400 Original-Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so5234052iwn.0 for ; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:27:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h4IEa8q5GEXgpKhZe0SA0il91VdpDWXokDHcEzSgEIQ=; b=PSfJ9EfnG5rlL9CzD6cttc2ttWJEr8FFWKbfUWwvDA6VOAU8pKayjstaC8LWugJr5v cu0njYhxnAa3jVTX2abKmZA4AEQgwnev84XSE2l2eMoRDGdawJjplrS6TjPyL3YIpcvd 5+2h6IIrcwkXO/bUhMpsPJOoGO6rPSfZGWjVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JfMD3saOF2KzQ42YDjgN+XSkuVqyzuNCxVi2BUQN/A2JaoUK+EpgrVW8Hca8RohEkS E0OMf1Hth6Gg+glU8IY5kqznm3PmKgeBmEpXmuTRIZK1iOKaus0YtIdkfghf18YGgjAT jHOVsupzibuuH2DyPot+0lXD4VB94mj4bbK5g= Original-Received: by 10.231.184.156 with SMTP id ck28mr6756560ibb.168.1280755635787; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.162.4 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 06:26:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128114 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:19, Stefan Monnier wro= te: > The idea (for me anyway) is not to lure new users (I have given up the > hope to understand what they need/want a lot time ago), but just to make > Emacs better. =C2=A0And following standards (be they protocols, libraries= , > terminology, behavior) is generally a good thing. =C2=A0So the only reaso= n > not to follow standards is when we have a better story. =C2=A0In the case= of > yank/paste and point/cursor, I don't think our story is that much > better: it's more a historical accident. Wouldn't that be an argument to use window/pane too, instead of frame/windo= w? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma