From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bash scripts in black and white Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:12:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4BEBC372.5010402@alice.it> <4BEDBF5C.1040306@alice.it> <838w7lfzdo.fsf@gnu.org> <4BEE5837.80203@alice.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273914764 21429 80.91.229.12 (15 May 2010 09:12:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Angelo Graziosi Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 15 11:12:42 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ODDQG-0001eR-Kb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 11:12:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46331 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ODDQF-0002PU-U4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:12:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57871 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ODDQ8-0002PG-O1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:12:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ODDQ7-0004IZ-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:12:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]:52762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ODDQ7-0004IO-2M; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:12:31 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so1577673fxm.0 for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=coaATQ9mdRRmk4l+xWInoOhJIAx7J1c0XHt+A4X7S8U=; b=C52KDZnu5yLMEbJKd5XId5PLGP5SoaV+CyqMYS3i+XwxKi08pFHeZXEIebtleEoDn2 SXEJUMBL/37bkPHI0A422xbXA0aAsCVY2pkXWMp2IjeQFdsCkQKwBcw/Pp1+37E81Q5i T+LZ4QUD3+AkpfqnranRfetRyivAJjj8e3ovk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=AgNy4iA7Y1wxPpzTsxQo2W/DbZJRRPKIL1mQx4bHh4tp4Pje2CTJcGZTV7FOXwzu4Z B4/GIDBSIHBta1y2tYcntRuszh0+BD3KSm9EKCUMhhxkc10T9Oz9W4F6G5cA4DiBe2A6 BRQCr1rCPr9DJz7DVArevLuBTTSjP1zwyKgOQ= Original-Received: by 10.204.141.27 with SMTP id k27mr127154bku.26.1273914749231; Sat, 15 May 2010 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.204.74.70 with HTTP; Sat, 15 May 2010 02:12:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BEE5837.80203@alice.it> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124791 Archived-At: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:15, Angelo Graziosi wrote: > Often the bugs come from lack of bootstrap, and bootstrap (+PDF manual, > +tar.xz of the binary distribution) takes about 25 minutes on Cygwin, which > is only an emulator... Bootstrap failures are few and far between, so half an hour* to test every change is a waste of resources**. In any case, bootstrap failures are usually detected and fixed in a few hours. *: Not everyone has powerful, up-to-date computers. **: I *do* bootstrap almost daily; but I don't think it should be forced on everyone. If we wanted such an always-buildable, always-runable repository, we would be better served by a continuous integration setup. I don't think we want, though. Juanma