From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bikeshedding go! Why is unbound? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:46:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sjx7z7w4.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pqsbmf6j.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4ijz07h.fsf@telefonica.net> <2460D97DEA4047B3B9DF92C4A80981EF@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294624043 13259 80.91.229.12 (10 Jan 2011 01:47:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 10 02:47:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pc6qs-00010n-23 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:47:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42390 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pc6qr-0007SQ-Cc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:47:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58648 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pc6qn-0007SG-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:47:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pc6ql-0000FI-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:47:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:39496) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pc6qk-0000F1-P0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:47:11 -0500 Original-Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so5199718eyh.0 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:47:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=PC1r+mxSZqSnfw8gPcltWvoSuqs8guyRK8Bml4S4LwI=; b=aiQSAf7MrlvUouhQD52p9yo/4UyHPkWGewewKeBZqgzH7KsOkUz7ijrIioqzFecwFF iVvCVi0xBImj88hzOU65BGIH17fEHGCNKNq+RbfaawtciXPi/K51IF8/ZJ7nDfC7vfQT xkZq1ldX8OeEQoY2VmEKCRzlPNIgekUuVeyQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=j1OPWQ0Zmqk+pQFxUlplk+U4tKyaXXM2d2vQwl6toFegRvULssQxQyIaLVTrgEPABw m7IiE6JLxBq2+oqWBitnDFPunAhKuF96TeMaF3aLCZqMOscQ79bzMsQ7dl81RuGvJTO8 jWH3v8aC8SvSnG7Z3/s4DjbZVcsB3x5ShpKp0= Original-Received: by 10.213.28.12 with SMTP id k12mr4152840ebc.84.1294624029805; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:47:09 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2460D97DEA4047B3B9DF92C4A80981EF@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134397 Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> M-TAB ... does not work on w32 if you have META on the >> Alt key - which is default and actually the only reliable >> choice in the current (unpatched) Emacs. > > Lennart, you keep saying that here and there. > But you've never backed up that claim, AFAICT. Yes, I think have with references to the documentation on ms site. (But don't ask me where, it was quite a while ago.) > Here's a typical example (see also the two followups for your complete claim): > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-03/msg00063.html > > You keep telling users that they cannot use `M-TAB' on Windows, but it is simple > for a user to have `M-TAB' (as well as `ESC TAB') be handled by Emacs on > Windows. I must say I am surprised that it seems to work, at least sometimes. It is not guaranteed to work, but it might work much more often than I expect. However try this procedure: emacs -Q M-e: (w32-register-hot-key [M-tab]) f1-c M-tab This starts the windows Alt-Tab application switching. Now go back to the Emacs instance and try "f1-c M-tab" again. Now it works. Something seems out of order here, but you are anyway right in that it kind of works and probably is useful. But it is not guaranteed to work.