From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Function to retrieve package version Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 05:26:07 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87woiki4w5.fsf@gmx.de> <87sgt8qh6u.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="29326"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: Michael Albinus To: emacs-devel@gnu.org,"Paul W. Rankin" ,rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 22 04:27:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTGyF-0007XD-V1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:27:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34364 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTGyE-0002Ng-SH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 May 2019 22:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58482) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTGxU-0002MR-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 May 2019 22:26:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57509) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTGxS-0000yn-J8; Tue, 21 May 2019 22:26:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.12.229.104] (port=50191 helo=[10.165.166.151]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hTGxG-0003FJ-9p; Tue, 21 May 2019 22:26:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236879 Archived-At: On May 22, 2019 5:02:20 AM GMT+03:00, "Paul W=2E Rankin" wrote: >=20 > On Wed, May 22 2019, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Please don't do that=2E The manual is very long already=2E That=20 > > makes > > printing expensive=2E Before we add a new topic, we need to=20 > > consider > > whether the benefit is worth the increase in cost=2E >=20 > Can you elaborate on what you mean here Richard? Do you mean=20 > people printing the Elisp manual themselves, or does the FSF print=20 > copies of the Elisp manual gratis? >=20 > If the former, surely the benefit of Emacs Lisp package=20 > maintainers knowing about the built-in "utility functions for=20 > Emacs Lisp maintainers" outweighs the miniscule additional cost of=20 > a couple of paragraphs that might add a single page to the printed=20 > output, which at the very most (barring some sort of OCD=20 > condition) will be printed once per major release? >=20 > And if I'm going to the trouble/expense of printing the entire=20 > Elisp manual, I damn sure want it to be as complete as possible,=20 > rather than later discover it's missing key topics and so will=20 > require a reprint=2E The idea that I'm being miserly about my stock=20 > of printer paper in this scenario is a little unrealistic=2E=2E=2E Richard means the manual whjch the FSF prints and sells=2E If it's too la= rge, it will be more expensive=2E But there's a way to have that cake and eat it, too: we can have certain p= ortions of the manual conditioned by @ifnottex=2E We already do that for s= ome less important topics=2E So there's no need to argue about this partic= ular case=2E