From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "grischka" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:16:05 +0100 Message-ID: References: <03A2EC54153A4BB1AAE5AF2D2E2B7264@editkapc><87aaz3jgkp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4AF1D60C.6080005@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1257434653 14604 80.91.229.12 (5 Nov 2009 15:24:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= , joakim@verona.se, Miles Bader To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 16:24:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N64Br-00020z-MY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:24:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37735 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N64Bq-0002cM-NF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:23:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6459-00066y-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:17:03 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6454-00066G-Aa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48592 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N6454-000661-3d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:16:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:42300) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N6452-0005TA-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:16:57 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Nov 2009 15:16:53 -0000 Original-Received: from p5B0C6FE5.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO editkapc) [91.12.111.229] by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 05 Nov 2009 16:16:53 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18588216 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wdzYJSHew9+NKnIw/c5zHJw59Krv/TiweIb4ldM pbqtTn0BWJrAjT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.78 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116659 Archived-At: > In any case, given how widespread the problem is, it's clear that we > can't expect the toolkit to adapt to Emacs. And since nobody has found > a way yet to make Emacs DTRT, all we can do is provide various > workarounds, which is what we've done until now. But what I suggest is > that instead of each toolkit backend providing its own workaround, we > should implement the workarounds in the generic code and even implement > several of them and let the user choose which one suits him best. > > > Stefan I guess it is a good idea. If you want to get rid of stuff, throw it all in one place, first. Seen that nowadays the gui-dyslexics tend to become a more rare species and the generation simply tends to loose the ability to understand that a non-linear, moreover non-contiguous and even non-complementary geometrical relation between scrollbar and scrollable content can be anything else than an accumulation of design flaws. --- grischka