From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Short functions Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 12:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <173617561349.1583674.17727386803499537943@vcs3.savannah.gnu.org> <20250106150015.2A1DD1043A07@vcs3.savannah.gnu.org> <87cygz7wl8.fsf@daniel-mendler.de> <6B4F0218-6692-4CD2-BECD-0C7CA047FC3E@dancol.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2300"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Daniel Mendler To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 18:33:40 2025 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tUqyx-0000Oe-C0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 18:33:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUqy3-0007t6-CD; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 12:32:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUqy1-0007sq-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 12:32:41 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tUqxz-0004k6-6v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 12:32:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=VTqpEVkhEHVTVaUgKWc/gKw1h5qHIVw35TDaVxGoC70=; b=LI9RlSQ/n8iBtXDl6BL7R3EM8e JbAQaiawJu6G+0vzVdlODbh735SqCyps06czVp5QCNd6bbt1KoCzezuIoMMtPYzxAKrVFUX0CSkvZ 3QSPrU9NfgLLFn+MM4RYUYSvTne0ba2YVZQz0SjR7jfsCKS8qM4xP9vgXsY9yOX9wQdvaMKKDWrK+ q7RO49+bOwcWNwOxQFarCm/cCgJYriAVeRB6o3VTvxoVpBE5XclWb6YjfyLVzS/AA/aZuK/hhkNKA HLFlmPyCQK6UCKoY4yhEpyDLN5DeixGcA/cGznA6Ytq5xPEYziBNHOi/8Mh1Ma0IZXSln/BVwkR93 yE623akw==; Original-Received: from [2600:1006:b124:d0da:0:51:7436:4301] (port=50712 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tUqxw-0003FM-09; Mon, 06 Jan 2025 12:32:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327746 Archived-At: On January 6, 2025 12:25:27 PM EST, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> more efficient, we'd want to avoid both heap allocation and recursion, >>> but sadly from ELisp the only way to allocate non-heap memory is via >>> recursion=2E >> Hopefully, generational GC will make heap allocation much less burdenso= me >> and the need for stack allocation (and escape analysis) less pressing= =2E > >+1 (and concurrent GC would also do the trick since we can generally >assume that there are free cycles available on another core) Generational will help with energy too though: unlike a concurrent collect= or, adding generational collection reduces the total work the collector doe= s and doesn't just shift the work to another core=2E