From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:59:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20110909215255.GD2733@acm.acm><7002A9DA9A804F0B9F6F251FD3A2B263@us.oracle.com><20110911103940.GA3246@acm.acm><3C4B7E318EB04AE4B7DB9FD0E4C67629@us.oracle.com><20110911173012.GA3088@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1315839619 18995 80.91.229.12 (12 Sep 2011 15:00:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 12 17:00:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R37zb-00023x-CF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:00:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37792 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R37zb-0003J1-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:00:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43280) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R37zT-0003Ez-8i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R37zN-0000UA-J5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:33580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R37zN-0000Tl-Di; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p8CExwnl021278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:00:00 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8CExus7007899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:59:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8CExpGE013604; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:59:51 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.90) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:59:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acxw9kZDVAUWJqoLTLSsDur0gOJNGAAZIqQA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4E6E1E70.00DB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143936 Archived-At: RMS> I think C-u should exit isearch. Bingo. Exactly what I suspected: AM> Need it be an option? Why not just let C-u through no matter what? da> da> Dunno. That would probably be OK for me, but I can imagine RMS da> or others chiming in that they are used to having `C-u' da> immediately exit Isearch. Having an option means not disturbing da> the general, traditional behavior. So much for: st> it doesn't need to be a customization at first. Only st> once it appears that there are many users who do like the st> behavior, and many who don't, does it need to be a visible st> customization. RMS is not "many", but I think the point has been made. If we allow `C-u' pass-through then we should also allow users to turn it off. The next question is what the default value should be. I'd vote for pass-through by default, but I don't feel strongly about that.