From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:13:25 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org><4C94ED16.8010100@gmail.com><9DDC30C126BB4F8DBB4BDF7C977457B1@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284837247 7981 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2010 19:14:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 21:14:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox2rE-0007ut-F0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:14:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44441 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox2r8-0006Or-5D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35760 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox2qy-0006Li-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox2qq-0007pf-QD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:13:33 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:19005) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox2qq-0007pU-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o8IJDUR8012938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:13:31 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o8IGSohB004950; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:13:30 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 616058511284837158; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:12:38 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.112) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:12:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: ActXYwqEAeywd5XuQsCJNCM8/DjE/wAAJakQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130441 Archived-At: > > Keep the default behavior as it was, and let users try the > > new Wunder behavior optionally, if they so wish. > > While I have some sympathy for that train of thought (there's > nothing as enraging as a trusted tool suddenly doing something > unexpected), that means that all new users have to suffer forever > with an old-timey behaviour, even though the new behaviour might > make a lot more sense for new users. Bzzzt! No, but thanks for playing. All new users will NOT have to suffer forever. In fact, NO new users will have to suffer forever. New users, like old users, can discover options and change their settings if they like. The default behavior should be the behavior that we think is best out of the box. I don't happen to agree that the default behavior for C-d (and ) should be changed. > After all, experienced Emacs users know (or should know) that > they can twiddle some variables to get any old behaviour back. Would that it were (always). ;-) But I am hoping and expecting that the promises of new settings to get back all of the pre-24 selection/region behavior will be respected. Still waiting for the dust to settle on that one.