From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: ELPA policy Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:32:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e33129a-07d0-4abe-a94e-32d6d881519b@default> References: <87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr> <87ziyoxvdp.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83k2psnzyh.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvuorz7n.fsf@gmail.com> <8337wfon3f.fsf@gnu.org> <56401834.8080402@yandex.ru> <83ziynma4s.fsf@gnu.org> <5640C6A0.5010709@yandex.ru> <83twovm9es.fsf@gnu.org> <868u65afvh.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87lha5snji.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <87d1vhsmuj.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <878u65slue.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <874mgtsjwn.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <867flp8nb7.fsf@stephe-leake.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447203914 8115 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 01:05:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 01:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Engster , aaronecay@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stromeko@nexgo.de, Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii To: John Wiegley , Stephen Leake Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 02:05:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwJqN-0003YD-3D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:04:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36818 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwJqM-00086G-LF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:04:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39471) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwJLJ-0006wi-Jv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:32:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwJLI-0005LX-Nz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:32:53 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:49988) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwJLE-0005Ke-HA; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:32:48 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tAB0WjfF031200 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:46 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAB0Wi9p005941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:45 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAB0WiIi020007; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:32:44 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194014 Archived-At: > > I think the distinction between "tarball package" and "core package" is > > helpful here. > > > > I'm guessing that the main motivation for including Org and Gnus in > > Emacs git (well, CVS back then?) was to include them in the release tar= ball. > > If we have a mechanism to allow that for ELPA packages, moving them to = ELPA > > makes sense. >=20 > I like this. I think we have a good striation: > core > tarball ELPA > net ELPA > To the user, core and tarball ELPA should be indistinguishable. I haven't yet received an answer to my question whether anything will change for users, depending on where you happen to manage the code wrt ELPA etc. But it sounds like the answer is yes. If some stuff that has traditionally been part of the distribution gets moved to (net) ELPA, it will no longer be distributed to users. They will need to pull it down using the package interface. Is that right? If so, I'm not crazy about that. I don't particularly want to go fishing in (net) ELPA for stuff that I've always been able to simply grep from within the distribution `lisp' directory.=20 Especially, but not only, when I am not on the Internet. I hope you will continue to (also) distribute Emacs with all of its (traditional) source code, and not just make users request it from (net) ELPA.