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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253951 Archived-At: > I think the gentle annoyance we have now strikes the right balance > between not letting people forget the fact of obsolescence and not > annoying them too much. We are talking to adults, not to children, so > we can rely on them doing TRT. +1. It's obsolete, but we leave it in the product, so as to not annoy those who don't, or can't easily, work around its absence.