From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Variable-width font indentation Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:38:47 -0800 Message-ID: <9bd2a797-22b5-4c30-a39a-b5bd5dc98632@dancol.org> References: <87inaiss6l.fsf@web.de> <6FCF6ACA-4F29-4B6B-BE9D-D7130C6E9495@gnu.org> <87fu5moe4c.fsf@web.de> <877eqyocro.fsf@web.de> <83zi3uz4nb.fsf@gnu.org> <0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org> <8bc3c4c7-dfc7-987a-95e7-bd309e2326c6@cs.ucla.edu> <03118DC0-39DA-4AB5-980E-A33809B9A5EE@raeburn.org> <83vaeas8uz.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgf6s3aa.fsf@gnu.org> <8b94336f-1bb4-84ab-263b-af5ba40bfca4@cs.ucla.edu> <673d6612-f0d4-5d34-c6ee-a276dbba3068@cs.ucla.edu> <836069rxfw.fsf@gnu.org> <83fu5brer1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520451517 17899 195.159.176.226 (7 Mar 2018 19:38:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , sds@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 07 20:38:32 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etesw-0000AQ-Ls for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 20:37:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35318 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eteux-0003Ts-QW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etetu-0003SV-Io for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:38:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etetq-0004YX-K2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:38:58 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:54350) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etetq-0004Y5-AA; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:38:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject; bh=qF5mmST+hxZz0gPUashb3gg+NwOLH1G+jFWXhwsYGMk=; b=A168NrYvoklKp5J3eV4Ulpr31deJXUqzPHWT2ISdoFXCnGATL5foYRky6yNWQKSfQABBxVWeGFvyEDN1Y6z4te83bG9CVR5nZJRxAChIbrzFpSS2sX1c/osZ36CP+7zmRpOLAUyQuMsi0DELTBqihkE1QjutakC+xsHUyoYS1vUOtw0jrAsXTAfptGBj4rSRjKqFyqbsD0bLKMLrFd8AemzguvPT70i+vHsD92V8rPlQLRYtLeyDiUWyNvfwJnNOHnZoqBCecnVpRavOvrLjZaYxNYIr+W3TtsL+MPMZHNcdts8prevmRLVp6a5WUCMCgSVimh1yl5gBxa4YohkVwg==; Original-Received: from [172.92.145.124] (helo=[192.168.86.27]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eteto-00028I-RZ; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 11:38:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: <83fu5brer1.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223424 Archived-At: On 03/07/2018 09:12 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sam Steingold >> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 13:53:54 -0500 >> >>> * Daniel Colascione [2018-03-06 08:38:28 -0800]: >>> >>>> ... >>> >>> How would you serialize the result? >> >> This is actually the question that bothers me too. >> I think we need to separate "visual" indentation for word processing >> from "semantic" indentation for coding. >> The former should be serialized to something like HTML or LaTeX, >> and the latter to plain text as it is done now. > > Take a look at enriched.el (and etc/enriched.txt as the demonstration > of its capabilities): we already have the capability for serializing > this, had it for many years. That's fine so long as you have a file you want to edit _only_ with Emacs. Files that need to be understood by other tools would need information about indentation adjustment included in some compatible way (maybe a comment), but since other tools would know nothing of this information, it would go out of date. Requiring that people edit a source file only with Emacs is not realistic.