From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: "Point" vs. "cursor" in documentation Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 07:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9b6fb4b7-f9a3-4f96-9b2a-86b744892d48@default> References: <037e45ba-ae4d-7aa7-bfa2-dd6a27aaff26@disroot.org> <0a994a51-b80b-9d78-9e9e-0d379ffa5733@disroot.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1530715948 20907 195.159.176.226 (4 Jul 2018 14:52:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) To: "Siraphob (Ben) Phipathananunth" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 04 16:52:24 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1faj8q-0005KO-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:52:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47591 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fajAx-0006ir-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45669) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faj9S-0006HH-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:53:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faj9P-0001il-Ic for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:47720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1faj9P-0001iP-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:52:59 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w64EmkaL072843; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:52:54 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=1TTXy8TUA6fLp1k5zOe3IPQpXHD4wSl+a2ymGYW/8ho=; b=VbjcIhaqKemGicabLxLeUzblUMnJNmN1evFtrjnh7nuIJTamVogiuE9/6Tv8+jrxLoO8 kot1mJnT+1m7KyFdP4pkGOt4QZcJmPJKcwuno2wwiiI4xR728iI9X1YpoIOgosfz2cXf DhHBkaZXHMwBIt/t/PT3LJr7diquHk8pAV/XOlEE939LeYq4sgffOJwwc26O3qo+/7vs H6PU2UpPj0+idoiwovvpgAlfVmpqGM00nKggScm6UN8x6tFcx5UevePJasJ96AUm+FlF QW1CxLkSmwq/RdhHnTP8oTfdbQ6zgWCJ5UrOlk3RlpyUuYyiWWdJT2nFw7yAGJggmkCJ LA== Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2k0dnjk2xk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 14:52:53 +0000 Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w64EqrNm020571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:52:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w64Eqqvq020785; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:52:53 GMT In-Reply-To: <0a994a51-b80b-9d78-9e9e-0d379ffa5733@disroot.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4705.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8943 signatures=668704 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=750 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1806210000 definitions=main-1807040171 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.85 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226937 Archived-At: > Right. I've seen the explanation. It's like hell|o where | is the > position of point, and cursor appears over the "o". >=20 > When do we use point over cursor, and vice versa, in documentation? If the | is something visual, it indicates a position. If it is the cursor then it indicates point. That's what the cursor does: it indicates the position (point) where text is inserted when you type. One (point) is the position. The other (cursor) is a visual indication of that position. Even if the cursor were removed (not displayed), point would be there - it's just a buffer position (1 ...). When you want to talk about the position where text will be inserted etc., use "point". When you want to talk about the display artifact that indicates that position (whether shown as bar, box, this color or that), use "cursor".