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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208091 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --KlGvjt5u819L1JoN4qBo7OlicQLwu7kLG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0lRWR6actHtbRcXCmHQkQXpSe2s6Wb585"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Message-ID: <9ac595aa-d204-b314-2a5f-16ed6c69f1bb@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <86k2dk77w6.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <642fd4b4-8b1c-a537-5a5f-6940691ec4b9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: --0lRWR6actHtbRcXCmHQkQXpSe2s6Wb585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-10-08 04:23, Helmut Eller wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07 2016, Nikolay Kudryavtsev wrote: >=20 >> Is there even a reason to try evolving Elisp into something else? >=20 > A major pain point of Emacs Lisp is the lack of module system or other > namespace mechanism. The prefixes all over the place make Elisp code > quite verbose and ugly. Evolving Elisp into a language with a module > system would be a "good thing". The nameless package has made this much better for me :) --0lRWR6actHtbRcXCmHQkQXpSe2s6Wb585-- --KlGvjt5u819L1JoN4qBo7OlicQLwu7kLG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX+OFlAAoJEPqg+cTm90wjQgUQAINFPxSN8a+IOwWmzB0TDG0g uhEcNHWHCJ/JRNdHds6tByn62978uN9lhRRVWc3Kmj+0+kBjLGaMfsodZKo9LBNA tLa9BDl5EJSp9AW3dnPnJnehP1JcNY4cdnG1dLPBT62ZXA2Zhk5aKUslWziryVSR TTtRYm6TIUmiFletWiGrjtD3v6XFzSOCGuGzA49mAz+7Kl6/1CErsatBaSVzZaxD gpwh6J9X+wK6YLxZmr4mKKXN5JyrzMXDOEoVb4AdrJUXP+BdcUwKDm1IHyNAsIV4 E7RLitp4Xmo+LymVgNAI5Mfmh7oU72a4soDwWh2T9/jTlAp3N5stn7+0RbRBeiNM 6jnowIh3mM8ZJvja5QXHAs66glY2DlFoX3lJRi7NShU1TyZ/308siOJETRT4/IIG HSp1G/xGd30JkVWbW80aN59oxG8RlSpv0x2GPQi1NwHRiFvUePwtma21whY1VcwH Bvqzp7s7LU8uft+Uw+bZWAwlcyLLVOdNc1khfxU1eulnEW5iMfbMO0EF8VLEaj2m yE37oIOjgSUxJakwA83z6MNC/Tsx2d4rweHJVK0r397DbhOc8lnD6ylTg8danxmo z1LUqPGApHjwH398vu1ZVlcTN/SUhl3EfEyw5aCGvsCL+oFRKzKhRgkd0boNtF5b GMTlz9/4tqw55E6D5iE9 =8BYm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KlGvjt5u819L1JoN4qBo7OlicQLwu7kLG--