From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:51:09 +0300 Message-ID: <9a68073f-f9c2-a6cd-8379-d37db6133c66@yandex.ru> References: <83k0x4mjsv.fsf@gnu.org> <831rjcmgn8.fsf@gnu.org> <897b82c2-8ec2-60c0-f5c3-5ab98f79fbd8@yandex.ru> <20200911114013.vnr6k47bnfqbbvkv@Ergus> <87o8mc4b65.fsf@gmail.com> <20200911150330.jyo65sauphrswf77@Ergus> <83imckfims.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16107"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, nicola.manca85@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, jackkamm@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Eli Zaretskii , Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 22:51:45 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGq1J-000466-5C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 22:51:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35170 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGq1I-0000Xd-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:51:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGq0p-00007S-80 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]:40455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGq0n-0003Uc-Dj; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:51:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id s205so13557170lja.7; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:51:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5qJrT4TeZ+LViP/gN8m6ZwrIXrss+jKRtxE6i7FMTps=; b=dZsCCwbT7ydH9t0PHoEMHLVmBBZll7WGFpeOOkguZIoTNJBwtEGoTwhmOMikEKmhxg KounLlHyY0VIKo8K8fSCvCoeguzdC4Rp6DK6QlYOvx3qT3xBoSwkRI5/8SHezkXy/tzN 9zE9207iFb9GDIK8B09DNioto1gG+24scIYFcIbTGRnWhcy93xzCr1bvq0QQowd1wJYx ZwcdTlKUakZQvcur+sf3Q15XH15iWqt8yN7iRMtr75viBXSPFlTDuekoGp0Jaw/ftkGN p1XoGcAumbCOfotfnMoSvhIzI4BKMWMmR/Swv8AlOY2KE4m9ie2D5WZACCmBcak0EgM2 TR6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5qJrT4TeZ+LViP/gN8m6ZwrIXrss+jKRtxE6i7FMTps=; b=Eta0OJDYh0AsX42n57RaaqXMZilNiUzAnAGWiMI/fdc3mQ+94q2QyhfMGuGbW5BrU6 coefzx8pCMS+zAmCTYEXCRsrLFi4IzBI18U0e7vlOv1UcT1jclpIBxrBHvLETbn7y6Sx xGkYJPsphLYXO0hH4+36mhXXHKFMDhxc3KgVfTWnufaUGromSXftIt+id4Uttxmc9N2p b/Z6VyeDr9MmnRV1nRXd0krlnjHYnn2GxAwE3MzchYSDVQWk1VIWAZNteKOdZYPwjWF2 ro39cGR7Std8EUQLT1PiT3Ekp+rYNNbCeylNojckzHqFZCZftUgxIuIifvUPTYuSqmOW FxJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533DvSGczI1gmi10ihyMDTTKsn8aK+MFj6l5NDIhvsMv6mOe83zl Gr2qhUrKbvauSjFbZzHavv4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzx15B3qI5XlD+cyZkF175oio7ggUA20o9ykTKUtXnFlbkZJyES/LfcZoFWiMtYuWq2NhSERA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b531:: with SMTP id z17mr1564382ljm.30.1599857470948; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.104] ([94.229.108.16]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u5sm571921lfq.17.2020.09.11.13.51.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83imckfims.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22d; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22d.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-2.469, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255240 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 18:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Also having two "undo" I think is gonna be even more confusing for the >> users. > Why would it be confusing? We already have several buffer-switching > commands and several commands to show the list of all buffers, and I > didn't hear about any confusion due to that. The usage patterns of buffer switching commands and undo commands are going to be hella different. And I'm pretty sure Jack is more of an exception (as a person using both kinds of undo commands) rather than the rule.