From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs learning curve Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: <9EA96AE1258C4B9CA131AD2D72BDB3CD@us.oracle.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com><87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com><87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com><87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <87hbjr9x71.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3uf9vb2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280067765 671 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2010 14:22:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'David Kastrup' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Lennart Borgman'" , "'Wojciech Meyer'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 25 16:22:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od26E-0002QZ-CI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:22:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59527 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Od26D-0004UY-QS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:22:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42381 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Od268-0004UN-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:22:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od264-0002hZ-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:22:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:57764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Od264-0002hE-51; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:22:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o6PEMRxk032206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:22:28 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o6P5KbmN021204; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:22:26 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 434284581280067725; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:22:05 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.220.100) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:22:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acsr9aVFGm+TtqEGQluyb7qyi7pWsQAC6S9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4C4C48A2.02AD:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127761 Archived-At: > I would not even consider using Emacs without a vi emulation mode. ! > Emacs does not have CUA support This should go in NEWS. It's news to me, at least. Might be news to Kim too. Please file a bug/enhancement report. > the current primary possible user base (which is probably > about the same as vim) (Same as the current vim users or same as the primary possible user base for vim?) Sounds like you think that the notorious newbies we've been arguing about attracting - that horrendous, humongous horde who refuse to come to Emacs because it does not adhere to CUA by default - those who would save Emacs from certain, imminent extinction - are none other than ... (drumroll) ... the vim users. Viper will save Emacs by expropriating vim? Surely this is not about a crusade for Emacs to finally conquer vi by adopting CUA by default, is it? ;-) Instead of The End Of Emacs, we would announce The End Of The Editor Wars? My, we are ambitious. Amazing what a little CUA in the blood can do to perk one up. Whatever happened to Eclipse in this discussion? Now we're spiraling down to `vi vs Emacs'?