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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226859 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_C63B0575-CC7B-448B-8F39-335F613F3EE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jul 1, 2018, at 8:15, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 >> It is a single file c source game that you can run from the command = line and I would like to rewrite it in elisp. >=20 > When you translate a program into another language, that is a kind of > modification. The translation is covered by the copyright on the > original program. This applies to machine-translation and also to > hand-translation. >=20 > If the original program carries a free license, that license gives > permission to translate it. How you can use and license the > translated program is determined by that license. If it is the GNU > GPL, the translated program must be covered by the same versions of > the GNU GPL. >=20 >=20 > If, however, what you mean by "rewrite" is to write a new program from > scratch that does the same job, without translating the code itself, > that is not a modification of the original program. Thank you for the clear explanation. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune --Apple-Mail=_C63B0575-CC7B-448B-8F39-335F613F3EE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Jul 1, 2018, at 8:15, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> = wrote:

It is a single file c source game that you can = run from the command line and I would like to rewrite it in elisp.

When you translate a program into = another language, that is a kind of
modification. =  The translation is covered by the copyright on the
original program.  This applies to machine-translation = and also to
hand-translation.

If the original program carries a free license, that license = gives
permission to translate it.  How you can use = and license the
translated program is determined by that = license.  If it is the GNU
GPL, the translated = program must be covered by the same versions of
the GNU = GPL.


If, however, what you = mean by "rewrite" is to write a new program from
scratch = that does the same job, without translating the code itself,
that is not a modification of the original program.

Thank = you for the clear explanation.

Jean-Christophe Helary
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