From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:44:24 -0700 Message-ID: <9DDC30C126BB4F8DBB4BDF7C977457B1@us.oracle.com> References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org> <4C94ED16.8010100@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284835561 1443 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2010 18:46:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:46:01 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Christoph'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 20:46:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox2Q9-0003Ri-Dw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:45:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox2Q8-0007on-Hw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:45:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54430 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox2PF-0007HA-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox2PE-0002Mg-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:19052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox2PE-0002MW-2O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:45:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o8IIiwGc021231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:44:59 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o8IIitxj024283; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:44:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt009.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 609916111284835417; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:43:37 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.112) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:43:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: ActXUStDgbsCksboTRWSAzdatSu6mgADdgoA In-Reply-To: <4C94ED16.8010100@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130434 Archived-At: > As for C-d and its command delete-forward-char, the > documentation states: > To disable this, set `delete-active-region' to nil. That also prevents DEL (Backspace) from deleting the active region. But at least setting it to nil does not prevent DEL from working correctly in delete-selection mode. So yes, setting it to nil is a solution for me, since I use delete-selection mode. I still think this "feature" of having C-d and delete the active region is misguided for Emacs. But as long as it doesn't affect delete-selection mode I cannot complain for my own use. I do complain for Emacs, however, that the default value of the option changes the default behavior. If those behind this "improvement" want to let users optionally delete the region with C-d and , then OK, provide that as an option. But do not make it the default. Keep the default behavior as it was, and let users try the new Wunder behavior optionally, if they so wish.