From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrian Robert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: fail on osx between 2/4/2009 and 2/5/2009 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:30:48 +0200 Message-ID: <9D52B261-F15A-499B-A36D-9E4E5F4F1E8B@gmail.com> References: <861vubqc79.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <10DD5733-4089-4A60-B090-4CB5E32A0E19@42tools.com> <49917BE9.6020903@gnu.org> <15A24001-137F-469F-8B05-DB31D4E8995D@gmail.com> <5BF9D3EF-54F8-4386-BAF5-B7BCB510E4C1@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235039757 3391 80.91.229.12 (19 Feb 2009 10:35:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 19 11:37:13 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1La6Gw-0001tk-I1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:36:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50312 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1La6Fc-0005E7-6B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:35:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1La6Ad-0004MR-7O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:30:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1La6Ab-0004M4-UV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:30:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44979 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1La6Ab-0004M0-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:30:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.185]:28687) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1La6Aa-0004B0-R3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:30:17 -0500 Original-Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so282054fkr.10 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:30:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding :from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=IiQZ6ih785nD3VQm/qHSsRrCFrXnlK782CsPomsFol0=; b=LNKzi+839TmdE8wR0vHwG6qFoKS5ASx6pR/RTf/jJvP94MPn6nFaswIswNpgfiNudP wDoq3VTU6LvQ7KRqBctK5YCkIY8mX4UGa4OTmmYWNCQxiReu0eG6VRytcXPgQNQ+z+rd M8YgNYNNdFVkoKCmPf/4+xwckvmhEc6fGRN4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Vupq99s2IW6Egyp8DY0XKd2i90TG84Wmrliuz3zELWnLt1z2q4Lx+H6S8yE4GY5ctB W7wcLOV52nRQ2YeViHHjfRcXigsBssUCphHUVznIGfZ4O3Rg3UwuPuci0XXy9SJ2K/BZ D222Cz6uarXiS+1K1so8IQuW597ZY/dD6bu10= Original-Received: by 10.103.213.10 with SMTP id p10mr293848muq.17.1235039414884; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:30:14 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ?10.20.48.125? (gw1.panoulu.net [212.50.147.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9sm913886muf.8.2009.02.19.02.30.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:30:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109214 Archived-At: >> You have expressed reservations because you feel the port tries to >> do things in a different way from the rest of emacs, but that is not >> really accurate. It would be counterproductive. As I've said >> before, the port aims for clean, clear code taking into account both >> other ports' approaches and the fact that Cocoa is an OO API. It's >> not always going to fit as well as Carbon or X, but it has been >> improving. > > Could you give some concrete examples of the "improvement" by the use > of OO in the Cocoa/GNUstep port? The "improving" I meant was getting the NS port code more parallel with code in other ports, compared to the state, say, a year ago. Despite some tension arising from the fact that the other ports interface with non-OO and lower-level APIs on the platform's side. > And if you read the code of my > Carbon+AppKit port, you will notice the difference is not in OO vs. > non-OO. Is that code available to read somewhere?