From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Requena Zabala Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Preview: portable dumper Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:28 +0100 Message-ID: <9B7513AE176AE5429921DB50D54FD2FC2C07843DEF@MAILBOX.GAM.LOCAL> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1480619544 7607 195.159.176.226 (1 Dec 2016 19:12:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:12:24 +0000 (UTC) To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 01 20:12:21 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCWmK-00019w-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 20:12:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58396 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCWmO-0007na-8K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:12:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCWll-0007n3-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:11:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCWlg-0004he-FZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:11:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gamrentals.com ([212.89.9.21]:23526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCWlg-0004aX-8Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:11:40 -0500 Original-Received: from MAILBOX.GAM.LOCAL ([172.16.10.80]) by EXCHCA01.GAM.LOCAL ([fe80::f815:ec1c:7baa:2aa6%20]) with mapi; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:31 +0100 Thread-Topic: Preview: portable dumper Thread-Index: AdJL+DCozdb7mqSNQYWANqLCwqjiXw== Accept-Language: es-ES Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: es-ES x-kse-antivirus-interceptor-info: scan successful x-kse-antivirus-info: Clean x-c2processedorg: bc462bd8-ce25-4092-a80d-65ef6d14d37a X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 7 or 8 [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.89.9.21 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209888 Archived-At: Paul Eggert wrote: > I sympathize with Daniel about the politics of this. This is not the sort= of change that we'd ordinarily create a new branch for, and the way this i= s being handled will likely discourage further contributions. While I cannot really make an informed judgment merits of the portable dump= er versus the sometime-to-come fast one-big-elc-file, and won't touch the b= ranch vs master issue, I can tell you this: The only argument against portable dumper adoption I've seen amounts to "it= 's coded in C", and the perceived (bad) consequences of the fact. Of course surely I'm not representative of the general programmer populatio= n. Stil, as a once would be emacs C contributor, I sense a definite avoid-a= nything-C-just-for-being-C atmosphere in the project. You might remember me from a few months ago, asking about non-toolkit scrol= lbars on win32 emacs. At that point: - I was willing to learn about learning enough about emacs core and win32 t= o get those scrollbars. - I was willing to incorporate any requested changes to better integrate in= to emacs code base, coding style guidelines, whatever... - I was willing to go through the burden of the copyright attribution proce= ss. - I wasn't willing to argue ad nausea about the merits of yet another featu= re implemented in C. So these scrollbars never left my own private emacs build. In the process I= never took the chance of leveraging my newly acquired knowledge and become= a more regular emacs contributor. One might wonder to which degree the current C hacker scarcity in the proje= ct could actually be caused by the very attitude the Project management hol= ds against C features.