From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info-use-header-line Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <9AA257EA-2158-492D-A4CC-D7525B16E0E3@gmail.com> References: <43E8C5E2-5B3B-409F-8455-3C0D1DDCFA7B@gmail.com> <87tzb9yhjo.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--797355856; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224488393 30016 80.91.229.12 (20 Oct 2008 07:39:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Emacs-Devel devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 20 09:40:46 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Krkiu-0003bi-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:42:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43177 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Krkho-0005B0-Rf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Krkhl-0005Av-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Krkhj-0005Aj-Ua for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38317 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Krkhj-0005Ag-QY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]:36756) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Krkhj-0004IL-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z36so584737uge.17 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:41:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=H5kn9hrLyTvSePMj6g9dodqawlbFBmzSHdAOH4XOAAY=; b=bV0tXJz6pi0VPqsuLRQQNkHnr6Zo4zozI1i0U7eVnf+CgHi6rfwgmAI9/8BLv7ZOoG Hq1rbqdu4yGVkoU//6mED7Nx9KVYuabQSHkYq3RpfOKvwX2a0QtceFVs57R9MlfDwVsv 6I5NjMxlwvYp+ZyJE+OkbFVKtmCqfmDGmYHEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=F4i8IqIsSLdrzvU3/3jVg7w+WZ2A+Igo/45J+CQOf3Pnh7SC+yUGd3BfBxSUfu0oWz B+f7erusC6r+fsOxCm/CT306wGB73gDL+0OvFvvqkBL5wwxpFU5w9MqM2HTDKJypZcj1 1p6sT9j/QiAoeHmcwTDx+pHu0KS7LXGZIOBIo= Original-Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr1869126ugg.55.1224470468379; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?10.0.1.3? ([68.162.142.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38sm3383521ugc.49.2008.10.19.19.41.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:41:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104640 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-4--797355856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 18 Oct 2008, at 15:08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > There's indeed a conflict between several possible uses of header- > lines. > I'm not sure what we should about it in general. In this specific > case, > leaving the header-line alone sounds like a good idea: it doesn't > solve > the problem, but allows the user to work around it. OK, I have checked in the change. There are some other occurrences of the same problem, though: The following packages offer variables to switch off header line use, but set header-line-format to nil in that case: calendar/diary-lib.el erc/erc-list.el erc/erc.el ibuffer.el Unconditional setting (but at least header-line-format is usually saved and restored): elp.el (elp-results) net/newst-treeview.el net/rcirc.el org/org-colview.el proced.el progmodes/gdb-ui.el ruler-mode.el ses.el Correct use: buff-menu.el info.el (now) I suggest to change the first four instances, because variables advertise a certain functionality and we currently don't quite keep this promise. In the other cases, one would have to review whether the header line can and should be optionally switched off. 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