From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:27:05 +0000 Message-ID: <9865db3af561bf9f05d1@heytings.org> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20211004081727.4F24921048@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <871r4qcs8s.fsf@gnus.org> <87o87ubcnl.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dm9en7.fsf@gnus.org> <818f9907c2b1fe8b54b1@heytings.org> <83tuhlnkxm.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c2f359a71f49@heytings.org> <83czo9nj4g.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c244b9db0bea@heytings.org> <834k9lnd2i.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c2dff3b49971@heytings.org> <83k0ign3zj.fsf@gnu.org> <818f9907c26fb6f0233a@heytings.org> <838rywm7a7.fsf@gnu.org> <9865db3af5547c6ca15c@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4728"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 14 14:34:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mazwe-00010I-8j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:34:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mazwc-0006ZY-Vk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:34:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mazpG-0003l3-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:27:12 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:50972) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mazpE-0006eM-Gt; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:27:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1634214426; bh=RkrO/Wr94Sqj88KM58GJgQVo2384jx98Q6F9mLXzzPs=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=d6B3bhOWlnGsPj0h1//NUIkE6Vwuw+ERFN8AATrolO5HXCKGG+CThZmgQGGzjCYck xxxS/lVq6dGzfBnjsBTMuwiQdmjNkKzzuLwDYIBQBpJbfxzcTYHKanGXWlMADvb8XL 5fMjyEguhK/uc53rdqej4hbVJsVPgOd6haQKgld+2we22zlP71VwuvytxA+ilUzjcO 7nQhT6VzdwwuKBzHWBlqcLfyhYZvklkYTBL2Wwe6GkTVJAGYWQCcVAcpNYDr2HDr84 d7Ug/rxGPZN36L+HEFXfr645Kmso17lT7mu3Mfp8gWD1UKuUk37D1OMp9ETgdFEyPm AjKeEqQAe96Lw== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277009 Archived-At: >> If by "that" you mean "use a more readable syntax for key bindings, >> without wrapping each key binding in a call to kbd", then this is not >> what we will have, even with Stefan K's patch, with which it will be >> possible to use (kbd ...) in preloaded files. To have "that", it would >> be necessary to go one step further. Which was the main point of my >> proposal. > > Did you see Richard's reply in this thread? I found it interesting and > worth thinking about, especially the part where he says "maybe we should > fully adopt a cleaner interface for specifying a key to bind". > Yes, I've seen his reply. And I do not see what could be cleaner than the kbd syntax, which has AFAIK been adopted everywhere, including in the tutorial, manuals, error messages, help buffers, and so forth. > > I think it would be useful if we could come up with some ideas for what > something like that could look like. Of course, nothing is a given, but > a good enough proposal might convince. > The only drawback of the proposal is that those who use for example (define-key some-map "C-" some-command) to mean "bind capital letter C followed by minus" would have to insert a space between "C" and "-" to avoid the ambiguity. Frankly, I don't see how this minor, and as I've said almost theoretical problem, should force us to create yet another syntax and yet another set of key binding functions.