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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273918 Archived-At: > On Sep 4, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Yuan Fu >> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 08:44:02 -0700 >> Cc: Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >> On Mac I never had the problem because C-x/c/v and other system = shortcuts are bound to the Command key, not Control. So I can use Emacs = bindings with Control and system shortcuts with Command. Can we do the = same in Windows and Linux? We can use the win key as Control for = Emacs=E2=80=94seems that was where the Control key back in the day = anyway. >=20 > Win+C, Win+X, etc. are hardly natural for MS-Windows users. >=20 > But let's first think about users of GNU/Linux, okay? I meant the other way around. Emacs use win+C for C-c, and = Control-bindings are left to Windows. I.e., Win-c for C-c, Control-c for = copy.=20 Linux users generally use windows keyboards, and they have a win key as = well. Yuan=