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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298799 Archived-At: I was asking specifically about shorthands wrt to their use as a module replacement, and I think tomas replied in that context. If anyone wants to know why I think shorthands should be used only in exceptional circumstances, and not broadly, I could explain that, but that's not what I'm currently after. And I guess, after reading the threads, at least the parts that didn't veer off completely, I'm no longer excused :-)