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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278623 Archived-At: --0b6e470231c5434791ba7e385e60a07f Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > How does a server know the names of files on your computer? Hey Richard.=20 An LSP-server is actually software running on your own machine, but in a= different process. And it=E2=80=99s very often free software too! Thus a client-server architecture with corresponding terms.=20 For someone not intimately into LSP as a protocol, I can see how that ca= n be confusing.=20 -- Vennlig hilsen Jostein Kj=C3=B8nigsen jostein@kjonigsen.net =F0=9F=8D=B5 jostein@gmail.com https://jostein.kj=C3=B8nigsen.no On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 04:18, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 > > To me it would mean to have something written in the page=E2=80=99= s source that=20 > > would trigger emacs to be launched, and possibly its window to be=20 > > displayed as part of the page (that is: without decoration or abil= ity to=20 > > be moved, and it would scroll with the page=E2=80=99s content and = wouldn=E2=80=99t be=20 > > displayed if the browser=E2=80=99s window=E2=80=99s not). >=20 > It sounds like this would turn Emacs into a sort of widget for use by > websites. That's not what we want Emacs to be. >=20 > > What I would imagine would be for instance or=20 > > possibly with attributes specifying that we want to open it with e= macs or=20 > > at line n (I=E2=80=99m sure standards exist for those, there is ce= rtainly some=20 > > anchor syntax for within github to point at a line, something like=20 > > file.c#l123). >=20 > How does a server know the names of files on your computer? > Why does it want you to edit some specific file? >=20 > > open at line, open with a certain mode enabled, open several files= at once,=20 > > open an svg file either as an image or as source, etc. >=20 > > the main one being =E2=80=9Copen at line=E2=80=9D >=20 > I can understand what it means to specify to go to a certain position > in a file while visiting it in Emacs, but why would a web site > do such a thing? >=20 > The scenarios that I can envision are unethical ones, where your compu= ting > is done by a web site run by someone else, and thus not under your con= trol. > I can't think of an ethical scenario that would use this. >=20 > Can you describe one? >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --0b6e470231c5434791ba7e385e60a07f Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> How d= oes a server know the names of files on your computer?
Hey Richard. 

An LSP-serve= r is actually software running on your own machine, but in a different p= rocess. And it=E2=80=99s very often free software too!
Thus a client-server architecture with corresponding terms.&= nbsp;

For someone not intimately into LSP a= s a protocol, I can see how that can be confusing. 

<= /div>
--
Vennlig h= ilsen
Jostein Kj=C3=B8nigsen
=

jostein@kjonigsen.net =F0=9F=8D=B5= jostein@gmail.com
http= s://jostein.kj=C3=B8nigsen.no

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 04:18, Richard Stallman wrote:
[[[ To any NSA a= nd FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemie= s,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, re= quires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > To me it would mean to have something written in the page=E2= =80=99s source that 
  > would trigger emacs = to be launched, and possibly its window to be 
 = > displayed as part of the page (that is: without decoration or abil= ity to 
  > be moved, and it would scroll wit= h the page=E2=80=99s content and wouldn=E2=80=99t be 
  > displayed if the browser=E2=80=99s window=E2=80=99s not).

It sounds like this would turn Emacs into a = sort of widget for use by
websites.  That's not what = we want Emacs to be.

  > What I wou= ld imagine would be for instance <embed src=3D"file.c" /> or =
  > possibly with attributes specifying that we w= ant to open it with emacs or 
  > at line n (= I=E2=80=99m sure standards exist for those, there is certainly some = ;
  > anchor syntax for within github to point at = a line, something like 
  > file.c#l123).
=

How does a server know the names of files on y= our computer?
Why does it want you to edit some specific f= ile?

  > open at line, open with a = certain mode enabled, open several files at once, 
&n= bsp; > open an svg file either as an image or as source, etc.

  > the main one being =E2=80=9Copen at li= ne=E2=80=9D

I can understand what it means = to specify to go to a certain position
in a file while vis= iting it in Emacs, but why would a web site
do such a thin= g?

The scenarios that I can envision are un= ethical ones, where your computing
is done by a web site r= un by someone else, and thus not under your control.
I can= 't think of an ethical scenario that would use this.

<= /div>
Can you describe one?


<= div>-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the = GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
<= div>Founder, Free Software Foundation (https= ://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)




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