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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309255 Archived-At: On 24/08/2023 23:21, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Danny Freeman writes: > >>> I'm at a loss how people who develop an Emacs package can object to >>> adding their package to Emacs. But so be it. > Very much so. This is not an isolated example, unfortunately. We are > faced with a seemingly significant pedagogical challenge to better > explain the benefits of including key features in Emacs itself. Perhaps the maintainers of Emacs should make more effort to increase the benefits of including packages in Emacs, as well as make it more frictionless and user-friendly in the sense that many younger programmers are accustomed to. Rather than just "better explaining" it.