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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -39 X-Spam_score: -4.0 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-2.469, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255238 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 18:08, Arthur Miller wrote: >> It's not a gimmick. The buffer has its own set of commands with navigation along >> the branches of the tree. > I am refering to the drawing itself. When it comes to using undo, I am > sure you could feed data into helm (or other completion system) and > have a list of branches with fuzzy completion instead of graphical image > which probably would be as usefull or even more useful that graphical > tree. It's hard for me to imagine how this can work at all, much less how it would work better than navigation in the said tree. > But as I said, I think the graphical representation itself is cool > and as you describe, for some users more clear option. I just undo with > M-x undo, in my case it is bound to C-_ and works just fine for me. And I most of the time use the undo-tree-undo and undo-tree-redo commands which are more or less analogous to undo-only and undo-redo. Using its graphical UI is indeed a somewhat rare occurrence.