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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249630 Archived-At: On 10.05.2020 05:31, Richard Stallman wrote: > > We must not create such dislike over relatively unimportant issues either. > > I'm concerned with goals I consider quite important, such as (1) > defending copyleft, (2) supporting the rest of the GNU Project, and > (3) the overall design of GNU Emacs. Right. And I'll posit that including s.el into GNU ELPA, by itself, will not hurt any of these three goals. It won't be used inside Emacs. And as for projects "outside", it seems those that want to use it, would rather not be featured in GNU ELPA rather than stop using it.