From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112566 Archived-At: > A simple idea that (maybe) does not give more complexity, but merges > messages/warnings/errors/tracebacks: > > - Show it all in the message buffer. > - Color those differently there. > - Get rid of the warnings buffer. Instead, if it is desired to do so, > open the message buffer like the warnings buffer is opened today. At > least that is not more intrusive than today... > - Errors are more severe than warnigns so do at least that much for > errors too. (But a lot of code in Emacs gives errors instead of using > catch/throw as they should. Also a catch label to just jump out of a > command without having to add a label internally would be very good... > - hope that is not more complexity...) > > I think this would be a good start toward making the complexity in > this area less than today because with such a structure we could > invent common ways to make a certain message more visible. > > There are complexities like that an important message might be hidden > by a later less important message (a rather common problem) but with a > structure like the one above we can try to handle it in a general way > that both programmers and users understand, recognizes and remember. There are too many things (solutions, in particular) in your mail. I take this suggestion as noteworthy: color different message types differently. That sounds reasonable to me. Let's worry about one thing at at time. Later, we can worry about whether *Messages* should have some structure (e.g. like outline mode or whatever). But if the main problem being pointed to is having things stand out in *Messages*, then yes, fontifying it could be a good start.