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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248473 Archived-At: On 02.05.2020 18:37, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc:tomas@tuxteam.de,rms@gnu.org,emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 17:56:16 +0300 >> >> On 02.05.2020 13:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> -- Function: assoc key alist &optional testfn >>>> -- Function: rassoc value alist >>>> -- Function: assq key alist >>>> -- Function: alist-get key alist &optional default remove testfn >>>> -- Function: rassq value alist >>>> -- Function: assoc-default key alist &optional test default >>>> -- Function: copy-alist alist >>>> -- Function: assq-delete-all key alist >>>> -- Function: assoc-delete-all key alist >>>> -- Function: rassq-delete-all value alist >>>> >>>> That's what I would like to get out of the manual easily. >>> I fail to see how will the above list be useful, if you know nothing >>> about the function's name. >> The workflow goes like this: >> >> You type 'C-h f', start typing > I said "if you know nothing about the function's name". How do you > "start typing" in this situation? Typing what? The more frequent case is when you know *something*. "Know nothing" is a strawman. Or it presupposes that function names are frequently such that it's impossible to guess. We do have a few of those, but they are a historical oddity, and we shouldn't add more.