From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Multi-line input Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94e0230f-c396-4266-8ada-9816d8118946@default> References: <<87fvds2r5i.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87zjbokx0t.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<546E1845.2010301@dancol.org> <87oarjklgc.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> > <> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417820574 5022 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 23:02:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@linkov.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 00:02:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1te-0000NA-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:02:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52810 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1td-0000ei-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:02:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44107) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1tR-0000Vk-ID for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:02:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1tI-0001no-FY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:02:33 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:47142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1tI-0001nh-81; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:02:24 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sB5N2L2m021825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:02:22 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sB5N2Kju029529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:02:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sB5N2KQA003230; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:02:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179062 Archived-At: > On a graphics window, C-M and RET can be distinguished. > Maybe it is possible to make C-q C-m insert ^M and make > C-q RET insert newline. Huh? Why a newline? Control J *is* a newline char. Instead of treating that as an aberration or some secret incantation, we should (and we do, for the most part) simply make the Control J <=3D> newline relationship, and hence `C-q C-j' for insertion, known from the outset. Emacs users, like GNU/Linux users in general, should be aware of this, if they make explicit use of newline chars. You can distinguish the key `C-m' from the key `', but you cannot distinguish the character Control M from the character CR (carriage return) - by definition.