From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carsten Bormann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs.app dev]: issues with NextStep (Cocoa) port: epa-file and frequent crashes Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:40:34 +0100 Message-ID: <94BDC600-C9C2-4686-94BA-2E1021D3CC53@tzi.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225640490 26619 80.91.229.12 (2 Nov 2008 15:41:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs App Dev , Carsten Bormann , Emacs Development To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 02 16:42:32 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kwf5z-0002yj-FF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:42:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58371 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwf4s-00041R-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:41:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwf4O-0003am-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:40:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwf4O-0003aH-2p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:40:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55467 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwf4N-0003a9-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.201.18]:40215 helo=informatik.uni-bremen.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kwf4N-000807-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (maildrop [134.102.201.19]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA2FeZwd025523; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:40:38 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:105263 Archived-At: On Nov 02 2008, at 15:04, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > at random times it dies altogether One problem that needs to be fixed is that fatal_error_signal/ shut_down_emacs/ns_term_shutdown essentially hides the bugs -- when Emacs runs into an abort(), this "cleans up" and makes sure there is no trace of the bug anywhere. So we never find out what exactly hit Emacs. I'd rather see a nice OSX crash report. (Yes, I'm seeing random crashes, too, and an absolutely reproducible one that Adrian can't reproduce: Click on "Options" in the menu bar and Emacs is gone. There must be something about my environment as well.) Gruesse, Carsten