From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: <93EFBD7DA657498389967C043BDF023D@us.oracle.com> References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com><83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de><83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org><5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> <87pqai64vm.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336233469 31787 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2012 15:57:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:57:49 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Antoine Levitt'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 05 17:57:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhMh-0000uF-Iz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 17:57:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57693 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhMh-00010g-26 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:57:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56016) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhMe-00010Y-6S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:57:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhMc-0000tE-FO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:57:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:40431) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SQhMc-0000sy-8d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 May 2012 11:57:42 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q45FvcNo015562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 5 May 2012 15:57:38 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q45Fvbf3029191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 5 May 2012 15:57:38 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q45Fvb6P010933; Sat, 5 May 2012 10:57:37 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.221.111) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 05 May 2012 08:57:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87pqai64vm.fsf@gmail.com> Thread-Index: Ac0q0TbTcmbfik2vQhOdaYqqQWj8UgABAU0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.117 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150290 Archived-At: > The main problem with HTML emails is that they may be rendered > completely garbled depending on the viewer. You can't look at a HTML > message in plain text and make sense of it... I did not at all argue that the mailing list should encourage HTML. I made the same point, about Org/Gnus/Emacs markup, that YOU are making about HTML markup: When viewed as plain text, markup is noise/garbage/nonsense. > You're very welcome to completely ignore two lines of the mail. Why should users of plain-text email have to see and then mentally "ignore" any markup at all? That's the point. IOW, I apply your feeling about HTML markup to all markup, including stuff like #+BEGIN_SRC that Emacs might throw into the mix. > Presumably it could be implemented by making it a minor mode that is > turned on by gnus/org by default and can also be turned on by other > modes or by the user? You are trying to solve the wrong problem, there. The question is about what actually gets _sent_ in the email. It is not about how to turn on/off markup rendering in Emacs. It's about people who might not use Gnus or any Emacs mail paraphernalia to read their mail. Hard to conceive, no doubt, but there are a few. Your minor mode means nothing to them. Can you say "parochial"? Using Emacs to read/write mail is not the only way to do so.