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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250110 Archived-At: > 2020. 5. 13. 오후 12:59, Richard Stallman 작성: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> Our unwillingness to make Free Software packages like Magit or Tuareg >> easily installable into Emacs with no extra configuration forces many >> of our users to add MELPA to their `package-archives`. > > It doesn't force anyone to do anything. Please stop the > exaggeration; that is not valid reasoning, just venting. That’s not exaggeration. That’s the current status quo. MELPA is ubiquitous. It’s not optional if you want a not-shit Emacs environment. Almost all package.el users have MELPA added — I think that would apply to the members of this mailing list too. Dismissing a valid argument as ‘exaggeration’ when you don’t know what is happening on GitHub or /r/emacs/ (with valid reasons) looks more like venting to me. > As it happens, we are working on putting Magit into Emacs. > We want to do so. But that is a different issue. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > >