From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Qiantan Hong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: About implementing libre.js/el in Emacs Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 04:11:29 +0000 Message-ID: <91445E9D-64BA-4A8F-BA58-CA663D8C0078@mit.edu> References: <791FBE67-B71F-4F80-810D-BE29B55FD10C@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6BF650E5-B1ED-4196-9DC5-002980225AA7"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14666"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "eggert@cs.ucla.edu" , Tim Cross , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , "T.V Raman" To: "rms@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 31 06:12:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kCbB7-0003dt-LL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 06:12:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42454 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCbB6-00065G-HC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:12:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCbAV-0005f3-8j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:11:43 -0400 Original-Received: from outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu ([18.9.28.15]:38197) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCbAT-0001eg-7y; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:11:42 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11exedge1.exchange.mit.edu (OC11EXEDGE1.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.9.3.17]) by outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 07V4BURo007638; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:11:30 -0400 Original-Received: from w92expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.70) by oc11exedge1.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.3.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:11:11 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by w92expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.70) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:11:29 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 00:11:29 -0400 Thread-Topic: About implementing libre.js/el in Emacs Thread-Index: AQHWfterB33grfm1p0G9a/nWkLfm86lRlvEDgABICIA= In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [18.18.245.17] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.9.28.15; envelope-from=qhong@mit.edu; helo=outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/31 00:11:38 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows 7 (Websense crawler) X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254429 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_6BF650E5-B1ED-4196-9DC5-002980225AA7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Aug 30, 2020, at 11:53 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 >> At the same time, having a "web in emacs extension language" might >> allow us to imagine, invent, and create a whole new class of >> collaborative interactions >=20 > That phrase is evocative, but it isn't concrete. It could mean many > things. To me, it suggests the idea of a web site that people > interact with through a particular Emacs Lisp program. Is that what > you mean? My understanding of Elisp as web extension language is nothing close to compiling Elisp to Javascript. This brings little advantage of Elisp =E2=80=94 roughly summarized as =E2=80=9Ca reflexive = programming environment. We lose the ability to dynamically and interactively extending the program if we have to run compilation/translation on Elisp to get JS and then feed to the Webkit. > it suggests the idea of a web site that people > interact with through a particular Emacs Lisp program. Is that what > you mean? Does this mean basically a website serving Emacs Lisp program? That=E2=80=99s good, or more conservatively, serving HTML documents with embedded Emacs Lisp code (basically as a replacement for JS), so while the website can have UI designed for Emacs,=20 when user access it from other browser/program they still get the = contents.= --Apple-Mail=_6BF650E5-B1ED-4196-9DC5-002980225AA7 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCA70w ggO5MIIDIqADAgECAhAaql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjEwHhcNMjAwODAzMDEyNDIz WhcNMjEwODAxMDEyNDIzWjCBoTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxFjAUBgNVBAgTDU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMx LjAsBgNVBAoTJU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMgSW5zdGl0dXRlIG9mIFRlY2hub2xvZ3kxFTATBgNVBAsT DENsaWVudCBDQSB2MTEVMBMGA1UEAxMMUWlhbnRhbiBIb25nMRwwGgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFg1xaG9u Z0BNSVQuRURVMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAylUlEQdK4BSXKzoGh6As CKN/TpLmC0kjhPdxUKMj1/86Xl6GDCla4h95uISDOWVAKdu3cIlA8m9zRLT2jNEIkt1DVpXP6c9h y8RRyfJm0qlrvr6tsHi5AmO4Li6s2dEGaTxbakPL6vEn7ZYr86t5orq56nubki77Z8ZvRv9/fWdF bF/YBNGDayLNk0NbXIEQdCHiz1l+bxfw+GHHRmdOge3MKWSg463+GGMdxtLQ61AbtR2vm47FIJBt c0X6ptcInWUg4Nf/9vSNGl6KvREvfbEWKCT6TfL5ncIFlitf6ZWKue2PZ4ULFfIQ3/7EsEk03xxr S7sTOy7e2dbPboe/WwIDAQABo4GhMIGeMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMB0G A1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMEBggrBgEFBQcDAjALBgNVHQ8EBAMCBeAwHQYDVR0OBBYEFDeb9Jlj XSm+y0CD872IhzRDIGv1MDMGA1UdHwQsMCowKKAmoCSGImh0dHA6Ly9jYS5taXQuZWR1L2NhL21p dGNsaWVudC5jcmwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQADgYEApBTx4tBbD5rQ+bNGd/Z3OBV07qFsm5QHNg0+ 6lxJ3j7q5zMMq35o6y5cBIhcFG6t+MFqJIdERZ3EprDturyqozQsIBMHFnqh+iZcMg0uQyssEqKZ hrzIdw8GuY4Z6jNewdGy5mwwG9yjpEbzWWgdofSM5rnezZz7EvCQu9ilt1sxggNDMIIDPwIBATCB gDBsMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEWMBQGA1UECBMNTWFzc2FjaHVzZXR0czEuMCwGA1UEChMlTWFzc2Fj aHVzZXR0cyBJbnN0aXR1dGUgb2YgVGVjaG5vbG9neTEVMBMGA1UECxMMQ2xpZW50IENBIHYxAhAa ql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAQUAoIIBkzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcN AQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0yMDA4MzEwNDExMjlaMC8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEiBCByKGzspTFJ nDMCiVt/WreWuCsrOVJQt+fazjU6wPFChzCBkQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYGDMIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGX nXswgZMGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNo dXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3RpdHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUw EwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGXnXswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEA DUdmGnu311OLXgflvw5/SUBCwibkdmY3H4mOyGEq1dsZ+qRTcIg1OH0fRvn7cgKZb+9TQ06mAV3f mo4hQnHO93bm8OiQwHlwnJsV5Fqz8/0JKuaP8ajc/WbM6RNnU0DYdBP74XdHHlX+Aiqvv+Kq4ogL cMt209sFpP6dlXBSsiaXoTcFAA7+jN3+V+CrmsWDjNPtHVoTApIjIIOlmy1c38tQNOnUcV/BfTnU 3rRHITmw47vKrtgfvRh3VIk+hZKGU3i574gWLOaTg3O1FUMSADSpbqxBHl0RrBw7VuouP37Tg9JP 60zStCsoXVzbaJh2Gdcp9c5avubW6t7qFRC28wAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail=_6BF650E5-B1ED-4196-9DC5-002980225AA7--