From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Konstantin Kharlamov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port (was: gnulib fsusage) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:31:54 +0300 Message-ID: <9119c364961735347b5dd5e9370b2fe2a4a84d33.camel@yandex.ru> References: <87bkmv6z36.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87bkmv6z36.fsf@yahoo.com> <83y1pzyqed.fsf@gnu.org> <875yd296la.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lelyzuph.fsf@gnu.org> <871qnq91l1.fsf@yahoo.com> <835yd2ps1v.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn5i7id9.fsf@yahoo.com> <831qnqppkm.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkmtoep1.fsf@gnu.org> <35ae19e677415c7f12d81cedb6f5e662a977f5d0.camel@yandex.ru> <837cx7avsm.fsf@gnu.org> <5daf3b48f0a460c03d7e365a5d6932fd41705e4b.camel@yandex.ru> <831qnfauax.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23952"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.3 Cc: bugs@gnu.support, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 28 10:32:38 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhZe-00062w-LU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:32:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhZB-0001J5-W7; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 04:32:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhZ5-0001IW-4z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 04:32:04 -0500 Original-Received: from forward502a.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:c0e:500:1:45:d181:d502]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLhZ2-000359-MP; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 04:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from vla3-178a3f795968.qloud-c.yandex.net (vla3-178a3f795968.qloud-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c15:2584:0:640:178a:3f79]) by forward502a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 21BC05EB22; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:31:55 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: by vla3-178a3f795968.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id sVOca5LZkmI1-H1knQisv; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:31:54 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1674898314; bh=rSMovE7K55K4Q0s7AasW0j2cTwuup8PFqryxH7KcpOE=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=thpVYrLybsAmlvQX3uC2/xDzv5dpghm/DJ2Q88uK67q04FgchbnwCo6cblPWkTpFi btfKjEX7MndS5jO0izjTyFn40UCvQHjEbi7SZowfxxMHLOjBNtBfNaxn83XnIcgWzk YOA+uqHsqb7WVULON7yqLYHEdTcmme/q6PRXfLMc= Authentication-Results: vla3-178a3f795968.qloud-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru In-Reply-To: <831qnfauax.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:6b8:c0e:500:1:45:d181:d502; envelope-from=hi-angel@yandex.ru; helo=forward502a.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302711 Archived-At: On Sat, 2023-01-28 at 11:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > > Cc: bugs@gnu.support, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 12:06:02 +0300 > >=20 > > > Since the absolute majority of Android devices out there are non-free= , > > > the fact that a small number of free ones exist is not relevant to > > > the main points of this discussion. > >=20 > > You seem to be confusing a platform per se with customer devices it > > installed on. The Android platform is free: it has its sources open, it= is > > being developed in the open, and it even has derivatives. >=20 > AFAIK, even this part is not true: most Android devices have custom > proprietary additions and changes to the platform specific to each > vendor. Please don't generalize actions of individual companies to the platform as = whole. Your reply doesn't make my statement false, because the original And= roid is the one where no such vendor additions were made. Either way, I doubt Po is planning to make any use of such proprietary addi= tions, so discussing those additions has no value.