From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: A Soare Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <9119194.3603691218548242618.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> Reply-To: alinsoar@voila.fr NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218548266 5050 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2008 13:37:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Emacs Dev \[emacs-devel\]" To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 15:38:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KSu55-0003az-RM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:38:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32805 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSu48-0006lT-Fp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:37:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KSu40-0006hC-Me for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KSu3w-0006bs-Dc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58179 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSu3w-0006bW-5i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp2.voila.fr ([193.252.22.175]:2747 helo=smtp1.voila.fr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSu3w-0005MF-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf4111.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A96D87000088; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from wwinf4615 (wwinf4615 [10.232.13.59]) by mwinf4111.voila.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 986217000082; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:37:22 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080812133722624.986217000082@mwinf4111.voila.fr X-Originating-IP: [85.9.55.98] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-CC: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-me-spamlevel: not-spam X-me-spamrating: 40.000000 X-me-spamcause: OK, (-205)(0000)gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrvdejvddrfeekucetggdotefuucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuoehnohhnvgeqnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucdlqddutddtmdenlhhinhhugiefgiculddqfedtmdenshgvgiculddvhedm X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102328 Archived-At: >=20 > A Soare wrote: > >=20 > >> A Soare wrote: > >>>> Windows hardly matters anymore. > >>>> > >>>> Windows is not growing much in functionality... > >>>> > >>>> Windows is important as a problem as long as it is non-free and > >>>> considerable numbers of people keep using it. It is clear that when > >>>> you say it "hardly matters" you are thinking of some other criterion= . > >>> I have never known in all my life a person using windows that thought= to use emacs. All persons that I knew and wanted to (learn lisp)/(use emac= s) used linux or MAC OSX. > >>> > >>> So a considerable number of peuple use Windows, but (almost) never Em= acs in Windows. > >> > >> What is your thoughts about that? Is there something to learn from it?= =20 > >> Is there something to investigate? > >> > >=20 > > Quite so! Investing energy to develop it under Windows is (almost) loss= of energy! >=20 > Yes, I understood that this is what you meant. But in what way did you=20 > reach this conclusion? By induction. I do not use Windows, and in linux I use emacs for lots of pu= rposes. >=20 >=20 > > I know a few cases of _good_ programmers at google, microsoft, etc that= never thought to use emacs. > >=20 > > The reason: Windows has nicer environments to write C++, Delphi, C# etc= . (that is what they told me). >=20 > Then how can it be good to develop Emacs under any operating system? In Emacs under Linux for Linux! >=20 >=20 > > That is what peuple does not like : to make effort to understand someth= ing that they can have without energy. >=20 > Don't you think that those programmers did invest quite a lot of effort= =20 > in understanding the software they are using now? Friend and collegueas: yes, they had good marks at the faculty. They depose= d much effort to learn. >=20 >=20 > > Emacs and Linux is used just by peuple that wants to understand how thi= ngs work. >=20 > Do you say that there is no use for Emacs? In windows, yes, that is what I say. In Windows it is completely unuseful. >=20 >=20 > > Windows is used by peuple that want to gain money and to arrive quiqkly= at their purpose. >=20 > Do you say that using Emacs makes it take long time to do things? It takes little time when you have already learned how to use it. The first= time when you did a thing, you will never choose something different. Here= is the point: the psychology. Peuple prefers never to make the first effor= t, and they prefer to use something to arrive quickly at the point. >=20 >=20 > >>From all my experience (all what I saw), windows interface for emacs is= as important as the file ./etc/sex.6 in emacs' sources. >=20 > Are you saying that this is the only part of Emacs that we should keep ;-= ) Yes, Emacs in Linux is nice. ____________________________________________________ Avant de prendre le volant, rep=C3=A9rez votre itin=C3=A9raire et visualise= z le trafic ! http://itineraire.voila.fr/itineraire.html