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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249749 Archived-At: Richard Stallman 작성: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> On a personal note, I'd also support not requiring copyright assignments >> for ELPA packages. > > Here is why we must not do that. > > In general, when we put a package into GNU ELPA, we want to be able > to move it into the core. Putting off getting assignments would be > asking for trouble, for reasons you have just encountered yourself. > The policy of getting assignments at the earlier time, when we put > the package into GNU ELPA, keeps is from putting it off. You can mark a package whether it will be able to move into core or not. Having a package on ELPA is not as good as having it in the core (for example Magit), but it’s much better than having the user to force them to use MELPA as soon as they start using Emacs. > If there were ever some package we want to refer people to > but certainly would never want to move it into the core, > this issue would not arise. > > But how could we be sure of that? For one example, no one would want s.el, dash.el, f.el directly into the core. But a vast majority of people outside this mailing list wants them in ELPA. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)