From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9088e12cb3de3d30abf1@heytings.org> References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13852"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 21 11:52:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lNvhC-0003W8-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:52:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59170 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNvhB-0006Df-Jn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNvdx-0005EZ-Rn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:49:15 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:39062) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNvdr-0000Sj-Ce for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:49:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1616323740; bh=hcwI+IofyguIFwSwt2hMPeMp1Ib2CZAeSmed0P0XxmI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=VU9Xa2tPin4hB7d9D8lTQTwZztxo/tevJgIqP5rP2AEahFtuOs6L76ALUbi/RZEdE ZaKC1z+XT1J3hzxVsR3mA7rYFIB3Z9eOPc9ZC1t0oTIkI66ZObyDyLed+AxGKWfGmg sXgFvugje1gkUshImcTfRVnkBS4K3lGYqg7rdQcCcJ5Evo/rQ21hUOUlQ9G8W5U4UL NY+JY9UEEjcameh3ueK9ImKS0y5i3zHJDWpZiHfgzc6WwrCmnLCDwtro06C8bY5A/c LsbJ8NMtTcCORX8O4fRRfsMKazUU+p3egus1Lvl2VvMvJaRZpPNdAU6qvyY5wvw2lv G7+cd44Ar7zhA== In-Reply-To: <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266695 Archived-At: >> May I suggest the attached, slightly more controversial, experimental >> test? > > Removing `C-o' has already been suggested, and there's already been a > lot of negative feedback on that, if I remember correctly. So I don't > think there's much point in doing this experiment. > Well... the suggested experiment does not remove C-o, it changes C-o in a way that is, I believe, painless. We cannot know whether it is indeed painless without experimenting at a larger scale. The few who objected against changing C-o may well find out, after trying it out, that this small change is not as bad as they thought. As far as I remember, there has not been a lot of negative feedback on changing C-o, the negative feedback was (to my surprise) mostly about the possibility of changing the behavior of C-z.