From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [lurwas@moya.dnsalias.net: groff version 1.18.1 and emacs] Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:59:34 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <9003-Sat07Dec2002215933+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> References: <20021204.135516.82043726.wl@gnu.org> <20021206.232627.48820000.wl@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039291616 5490 80.91.224.249 (7 Dec 2002 20:06:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18KlDx-0001QM-00 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:06:53 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18KlNC-0006fZ-01 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:16:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Kl8O-0005IO-00 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:01:08 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Kl85-0005Gt-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:00:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Kl81-0005Cb-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:00:46 -0500 Original-Received: from frigg.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.16]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Kl80-0005CG-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:00:44 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretsky (adsl-ayalon-pc-128-51.inter.net.il [213.8.128.51]) by frigg.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.1-GA) with ESMTP id CAC00851; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:00:34 +0200 (IST) Original-To: wl@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <20021206.232627.48820000.wl@gnu.org> (message from Werner LEMBERG on Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:26:27 +0100 (CET)) Original-cc: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9956 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9956 > From: Werner LEMBERG > Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:26:27 +0100 (CET) > > I decided to make SGR the default output format of > groff's TTY output device starting with groff version 1.18 about six > months ago. Not all tools understand SGR yet, so it will take some > time until everything has been updated. And if you remember, I've warned you back then that breakage of the kind we see with man.el will surely happen if the SGR is going to be the default output format without giving some time to the related packages to catch up. So far, only Less and Texinfo's Info reader can handle the SGR sequences produced by Groff. > Setting this environment > variable will always work regardless of the used version of man or > groff, so I think this is the easiest workaround within Emacs. I'd rather suggest to release a Groff where SGR is turned off by default.