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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254321 Archived-At: > One point about %b which I think hasn't been raised yet. When selecting > another window (even if in the same frame), the frame title will change. > In addition, when using a desktop environment's panel (for example, > xfce4-panel) with "window buttons", there will be some visual activity > outside of the Emacs frame as well. Not sure if that could be > distracting. It could be distracting. Anything decided on could be noise, or distracting, to some. What you describe for window-switching could also be considered a feature, not a problem: the title tells you the selected window's buffer etc. Choosing default behavior is always a trade-off. What's most important is that it be easy for users to customize the behavior. ___ That's kind of the case, and kind of not the case. `frame-title-format' is like `mode-line-format': in the general case it's not so simple to configure. It would be great if Someone (TM) came up with easy ways to configure the format. Yes, I know we have mode-line variables etc. But a simple way to get a fair amount of configuration without being a Lisp pro would be helpful, IMO. That said, I wouldn't want to see any of the existing mode-line config features disappear, just in some attempt to "dumb things down". Adding some simple ways to configure should be a plus, not a replacement.