From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jim Blandy" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proced-refine: confusing doc string Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:46:50 -0700 Message-ID: <8f2776cb0809301046g26a4b7b6qa3eeb9f2c3fb6a01@mail.gmail.com> References: <18655.56783.720526.517468@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <48DFDF4F.5080704@gmail.com> <8f2776cb0809282327o701b7ba1y6953826a5117a99a@mail.gmail.com> <18657.36679.485198.413331@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222796865 32233 80.91.229.12 (30 Sep 2008 17:47:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: raman@users.sf.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 30 19:48:43 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KkjKq-0001ag-Bv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:48:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56070 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KkjJn-0006v7-HV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:47:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KkjJk-0006uT-27 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:47:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KkjJh-0006rg-Kh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:47:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49113 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KkjJh-0006rX-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:47:21 -0400 Original-Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.227]:62889) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KkjJh-0006RD-6Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:47:21 -0400 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c30so49591wra.14 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:47:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rWCMLM4ITgkSPF1HcAQ3tFmr+qkBqv0Tr5Rpn5m297s=; b=Jae5LyaEIfr49vo+MUx5whBHjvzw9D7SIfCkwX+aznUEq1bXFRIfNPNBNa1dEORL4s Or/WwkLRmpX3A9GHMrJXWiwCxIQ5wt4cwt2wigJMue493EAFP4vdqk4Z+f2cA7SBndpy gcDTb6BPs0KbE8x9IPnTZxOMEL8H2puRPwg4A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OT2kqGzA91SmAht/PUQYQosDwooxb7+AYy2Iv8nNS/buMnGyAcgc1etYAtzQfEVBzs G6XoHrm/pCkBxHI8GN5wHaTi31gcK2tm5K8i3SKTdsljpnra4oWRRnWFvmJdF9Q9IqPd W5Yi+xxdUb5XFCNATMSd07lTAuha4kl5v/m3I= Original-Received: by 10.100.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr6363583ana.6.1222796840556; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.209.13 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:46:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <18657.36679.485198.413331@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: a6768a5741d02047 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104264 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:30 PM, T. V. Raman wrote: > This would definitely help. > > I'm still at a loss to understand how proced-refine works -- > perhaps because I'm running outside X? > > It's unclear how this thing is supposed to work on a text console. For what it's worth, I had the same reaction. I didn't get it until I read the code and stared at the little "-+-" strings... To be honest, I'm not sure that proced-refine is a very helpful command as designed. For example: clicking on a pid restricts the display to processes with lesser pids? Why? Why not greater pids? It seems like its behavior was driven more by the idea for its implementation than vice versa.