From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 08:23:38 +0000 Message-ID: <8ed9b4350241225b7153@heytings.org> References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> <3b0170ad-bb87-f79e-dbbe-f2e7097e2d3f@dasyatidae.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21941"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 10:01:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Otn-0005bR-W3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:01:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46858 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Otm-0004WV-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:01:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9OJF-00083c-7P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:23:45 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:43026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9OJ9-00010c-Rd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:23:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612859018; bh=ha7GEkNx8exE6EZk2keSY3W0pFTErBwhmJ/ZpDsnvqw=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=kRe2WGi/bJPoQncHy/wQPlDeDJlO90pNKeUVCZr6Zc55FW8hb1+6TZvDvkPEB45fF 1OXbPMuddAWAYSa0riyZw0kwk2s2SlWlLxjfuWbOwzpcvmPbuklSxwCgu9JAP4r7rL vmXzXJ8BYdVSAV2iEPKJMu7LtB3hIyGUyckAkAi3L+zCC8wk5RQDKUSD6DdGW0j0CD u+yzNf28IZmhEQWUbQ0dFXsxi7lrL92rY5e0sLyH7LY/ojRz3w3jYGC/l9rV+zdLCq xjk697rrosXQQn3hBwVq47XdJ/tj0lhfIEbzDifQ74i7wlMVzpfD1qRArFpQIlgxVW /5lQOes2w4YpA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264210 Archived-At: >> I _kind of_ like this general idea because the current situation is >> getting kind of hazardous. _But_ if any of these do happen, make sure >> the symbol for the sub-keymap is exposed so the user can move the whole >> thing somewhere else from init code. > > Yes, focusing on the keymap first and presuming that its actual binding > may change seems important. Tho in practice, when a keymap is bound > changes which bindings inside the map are convenient to type: E.g. `C-z > C-z` is much easier to type than `M-o C-z`. > And in practice, too, there is no chance third-party library developers would agree to use that keymap if it is not bound by default to a sensible key. It must be an appealing solution.