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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254698 Archived-At: > 3. File opening dialogue is completely throwing the new user off - > people are too used to pop-up file opening dialogue listing all the > files. The message area is even not noticed. > 6. Some new users might be confused by default file open dialogie > involving mode-line. I believe that similarly to CUA-mode, Emacs can > emulate more standard approach by offering dired as a way to open files > (not enabled by default, but offered as a customisation together with > CUA-mode). Doesn't menu File > Open File do what you request, by default? Likewise, other file operations, such as File > Insert File, File > Save As, and File > Open Directory. On MS Windows, for example, this just uses the usual Windows file selection dialog box. This depends on the value of option `use-file-dialog', but that's `t' by default (as is `use-dialog-box'). "Non-nil means mouse commands use a file dialog to ask for files. This applies to commands from menus and tool bar buttons even when they are initiated from the keyboard. If 'use-dialog-box' is nil, that disables the use of a file dialog, regardless of the value of this variable." https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Dialog-Boxes.html