From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unbalanced change hooks (part 2) [Documentation fix still remaining] Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <8cea494d-33e0-0a7d-2bd0-c8bfb9f597aa@dancol.org> References: <83inv9hkjd.fsf@gnu.org> <83h9ashfgx.fsf@gnu.org> <831t1wharr.fsf@gnu.org> <20160810161821.GB3413@acm.fritz.box> <83wpjofttf.fsf@gnu.org> <20160810185735.GD3413@acm.fritz.box> <20160811112951.GA2154@acm.fritz.box> <7e1478b6-cf00-fcbf-8c24-43bdaa57e2b6@dancol.org> <415d1cca-f32c-624e-a4be-9aadcf8a0f17@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472483879 19309 195.159.176.226 (29 Aug 2016 15:17:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 29 17:17:55 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1beOJu-0004NW-DF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:17:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44017 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beOJr-0004p1-6e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:17:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33997) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beOJk-0004oe-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beOJg-0007Gf-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:17:43 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:34716) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beOJg-0007Bl-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:17:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=A8Hrhfcdz0DLX8Ktg/C3xKU98D2fcg4Ci13+Dguk7oU=; b=JSR69UZmcpJzzz2ht7s+zek6mjm5iZkbxoQLmbCfd4/TZ+SM2E5SiUaqHJiEM1spfI1UkB/urE845Nu+YtDHty0zzbXMeJL3d4HuDKpXoDZr5RK7Osu3RVF+AV0mSWbCauDM/RtUUxoGe9r8NPHhgz4j3GmNBK0uReVqNGfLYGd9ueh2EszQMO0yjdZU08yaUP9Fla1lbr8XeU9n/fF3qGrWZ9jVDy8CU0KnMhFKGudmnKxoy4RVdLPA+sIfM2+SO/JOiYNqryjtMTVn+kMdYcN70J7OA4pfv8aUvlVAmAKAGLGLsDkijx96C/agXJga0GjuWH46ocFjAvM+3FHteQ==; Original-Received: from c-73-97-199-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([73.97.199.232] helo=[192.168.1.173]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1beOH8-000569-36; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:15:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.126.100.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206875 Archived-At: On 08/29/2016 06:00 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Furthermore, the cases I've seen of code designs which wants this > behavior tend to be brittle and overly complicated, compared to > alternative designs which don't rely on this behavior. > > I guess a way to "fix" it would be to add a random fudge factor to the > b-c-f calls, plus add random dummy calls to b-c-f, and sprinkle the > lisp/*.el code with combine-after-change-calls. This way, the "properly > paired up" case will be much more exceptional. You can't be serious.