From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:17:06 -0700 Message-ID: <8c665811-3854-82b1-99cb-a7e7d92f812a@dancol.org> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <83imh5hby1.fsf@gnu.org> <2e4e8ce9-d857-f3e3-31cf-a40dee67bd25@yandex.ru> <442916f9-71f6-5daf-efbf-790685765efe@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="54984"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , emacs-devel To: Stefan Monnier , Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 03:19:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXx6R-000EBL-FV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 03:19:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37324 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXx6Q-0005Pw-CO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 21:19:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXx4G-0003lq-Av for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2020 21:17:16 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:59332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXx4F-00009E-2G; Sun, 10 May 2020 21:17:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SJTrhv8XkpAfN29KL7LV10cDaNFhMdrWBqJ55un1KO4=; b=QNkwA0fyMNYiXQY9/jj8aOUrLv wwyRV1RpiDYWj5EoCog0nvms0xyCiNB40utFZb+pb7i4jFw/4zAlMBoPspNQ5NaFGiai5NlQ1jCGP 7TAsWPSDG4VVnktAcre+Dd4bminsG2PpFaoI2UXUbGEmyWGnn4ab8BvJNJdN4+oiwJATVpknsNMTp iwLlbtKwEY4MYrv4ElItxmvsRbCPAsK/w4VbDHFf3BC64DjqWC5kHy5OnO1qEb7yJtZiKATEazQPl GN43MTZqOstQrcKQdHYl1/pWx7j0ozopelhGZTPhEFVMn8RJ6GnT1XOQnfG7pq7K9AiFpIfv25r2E 0/oF/emA==; Original-Received: from [2604:4080:1321:9a00:3d60:5fe6:8cb4:e9e6] by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1jXx47-0001cs-7E; Sun, 10 May 2020 18:17:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: 12 X-Spam_score: 1.2 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249732 Archived-At: On 5/10/20 9:39 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> A bit less sure about Eglot TBH (or any LSP client), because Emacs has >> a long history of alternative solutions in this field, and it would be >> best not to step on their toes either. > > I strongly disagree here: the existence of various implementations of > a feature shouldn't mean that we can't have such a feature in vanilla > Emacs (which would also mean we can't have such a feature enabled by > default). > Right. And these externally developed modules function as a kind of laboratory that explores what should be in core when core support happens. Emacs should be usable, attractive, and compelling out of the box.