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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:39:01 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8bd4ec21-1306-41bf-aca7-5571a3014337@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87egc4v4hs.fsf@gmx.de>

> >> filenotify.el:470:1:Warning: the function ‘caadr’ is not known to be
> >> defined.
> >
> > Well, of course: all cl-lib definitions use the "cl-" prefix.
> 
> Hmm, yes. Somehow I'm always unable to remember proper use of cl and
> cl-lib :-(

It's insane that Emacs now calls these `cl-caddr' etc., instead of
calling them `caddr' etc. like all other Lisps (those that have
them) - including Emacs prior to this renaming.  Hard to believe
this actually went down.

Take a simple, longstanding naming convention designed to be as
succinct and transparent as possible, and coat it in a thick
layer of sticky, gooey mucilage...  ("What were they thinking?")

There is nothing particularly *Common*-Lispy about these functions.
It's not like there was some conflict with other, Emacs-Lisp `caddr'
etc. functions.  What's next, `cl-setq'?  `cl-let'?  `cl-car'?

(No, not a joke - `caddr' is no more Common-Lispy than are `setq',
`let', and `car'.)

I suppose someone could argue that this ugliness might dissuade
people from using these functions.  Hopefully such dissuasion
will work in favor of using context-specific access functions or
macros, or better structuring code.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-22 21:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20160222175244.30186.2617@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1aXuf6-0007rW-6h@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-02-22 18:51   ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 20:41     ` Michael Albinus
2016-02-22 20:49       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-22 20:50       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 21:07         ` Michael Albinus
2016-02-22 21:19           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 22:48             ` Michael Albinus
2016-02-22 23:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 21:39           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-02-22 21:42             ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-22 22:28               ` Oleh Krehel
2016-02-22 23:15                 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23  1:05                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23  1:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-23  2:11                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-23 16:41                     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23 16:50                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-23 17:11                         ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23 22:48                           ` John Wiegley
2016-02-24  1:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-24  2:00                               ` John Wiegley
2016-02-24  2:50                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24  2:17                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  3:32                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-24  3:52                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  3:53                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24  4:09                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-24  4:23                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24 15:18                                   ` Nicolas Richard
2016-02-24 15:33                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-24 12:21                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-24 15:29                                   ` Nicolas Richard
2016-02-24 16:51                                     ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24  4:08                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-24 10:02                             ` Stephen Berman
2016-02-29  6:24                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29  7:06                     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-29 15:41                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 19:53                       ` Joost Kremers
2016-03-01 16:53                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-29 17:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-29 18:11                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 18:47                         ` John Wiegley
2016-02-29 19:28                           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 20:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-29 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 21:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-29 22:19                               ` Drew Adams
2016-03-01 16:53                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-01 20:09                           ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23 17:45                 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]               ` <<87r3g4js64.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <<E1aYH1b-0006nO-9u@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-23 18:09                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24 13:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 23:29             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-22 23:50               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23 17:45             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <<87egc4v4hs.fsf@gmx.de>
     [not found]           ` <<8bd4ec21-1306-41bf-aca7-5571a3014337@default>
     [not found]             ` <<E1aYH1M-0006ia-SR@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-23 18:05               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24 13:41                 ` Richard Stallman

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