From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:34:56 +0100 Message-ID: <8FEF3071-0670-4746-9B5F-91BC451F946A@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1124212717 5082 80.91.229.2 (16 Aug 2005 17:18:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 19:18:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E554Q-0007yM-QV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:17:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E557f-0002C4-K2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:21:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E550A-0007ha-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:13:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E5508-0007h1-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:13:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E54w8-0005ec-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:09:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.204] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E54fB-0005tM-9Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:51:45 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i14so1477315wra for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:35:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kxl5PjukRYzomcO6F9lJuc2NZ3sE9/fxi5hLuy3wLvan4eqKiUNh7xSGCm1Jo9TmveYMQV44wwRXcfnT+4vVKTlhQlU9HTia1SeHKE+JehdYKI7V9ogy86czZ/Un27LyBdUqv4uANHjRHer7WSaYFo7/LUDa4akI3hdP8CwxrcM= Original-Received: by 10.54.49.72 with SMTP id w72mr4416748wrw; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?129.215.174.81? ([129.215.174.81]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 34sm2661338wra.2005.08.16.09.35.40; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:35:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Original-To: Emacs-Devel ' X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:42137 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:42137 On 16 Aug 2005, at 05:51, Drew Adams wrote: > And a question - ignore, if this has already been beaten to death - > shouldn't "inviolable" be the default value? A novice might get > confused and > not know about the option to make the text inviolable; Yes, I agree: it should be default. I used to be first confused, then annoyed when it happened repeatedly (I delete text pretty often that's in the minibuffer, and then I accidentally get into the prompt), so I set 'read-only' (similar to inviolable, i guess) as a default in Aquamacs. > a veteran is more > likely to try to copy prompt text and to discover the open-sesame > option, if > it is locked by default. Luc says he likes to copy the prompt when reporting bugs etc., but who is Emacs catering for? Its own developers? Its bug-reporting users? Or users that actually do productive use? The latter should probably be the default assumption, since it agrees with what most people do with it...