From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'David De La Harpe Golden'" <david@harpegolden.net>,
"'Juri Linkov'" <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: "'Jan Djärv'" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>,
"'Emacs Dev [emacs-devel]'" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch.
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:09:22 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8E4EFD98FBEC4EED91906ED42C8293FF@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BC1EAB2.6080900@harpegolden.net>
> I do get a certain impression that people who propose
> non-switch-pane-of-content uses for tabs are really looking for just
> more toolbars - rows of buttons. NOT tabs, which have specific ui
> affordances towards being "for" managing stacked panes of
> content, and often the same panes that may also be tiled (like emacs).
That tabs can be naturally used for managing stacked panes of content does not
mean that they should only be used for that. I see no contradiction between tabs
as "buttons" and tabs as selectors for stacked panes.
The former is more general, that's all. However, I would not like to see the
current Emacs tool-bar and its buttons as the model for Emacs tabs. We can do a
lot better. (See my other mail on this today.)
I agree with what Stefan said:
SM> Indeed. The current tool-bar has some serious limitations
SM> for tabs:
SM> - the appearance isn't right.
SM> - no text.
SM> - can't have two "tool bars".
SM>
SM> If we could have more flexible tool-bars (more control over the
SM> appearance and content, more control over the possible key-bindings,
SM> ...) and if we could have more of them and placed differently
SM> (e.g. anywhere in the window tree), then that would subsume
SM> the need for tabs and the neds for extra header-lines.
> And emacs has panes of content - windows...
Well, "pane" kinda implies "window", so it's hard to argue with that. But Emacs
has lots of _sets_ of content (visible or not), and letting a tab select for
such a set of content is part of what I would like to see. I do not want to see
Emacs tabs being only about window selection (whether individual windows or
window configs).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-11 18:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-09 9:47 Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch A. Soare
2010-04-09 11:15 ` Jan D.
2010-04-10 1:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-10 1:36 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-10 6:12 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 1:16 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-11 12:50 ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2010-04-11 15:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-11 15:28 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-11 16:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-11 18:32 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-12 23:47 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-13 3:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-13 5:29 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-13 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-13 23:34 ` Header windows (was: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch.) Juri Linkov
2010-04-14 5:03 ` Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch Richard Stallman
2010-04-14 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-13 6:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-13 12:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-13 5:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-13 12:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-13 20:54 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-21 16:58 ` Text in Gtk tool bar. (Was: Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch.) Jan Djärv
2010-04-23 8:35 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 9:33 ` Jan D.
2010-04-23 16:46 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 17:47 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 18:09 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-04-12 23:45 ` Gtk tabs in emacs, new branch Juri Linkov
2010-04-13 2:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-13 6:29 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-13 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-13 18:15 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-13 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-10 1:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-10 2:19 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-10 6:15 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 9:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-10 9:46 ` joakim
2010-04-10 10:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-10 11:01 ` joakim
2010-04-10 12:38 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-04-10 14:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-10 10:58 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 12:09 ` joakim
2010-04-11 1:18 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-10 10:52 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 5:51 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-10 15:33 ` Chong Yidong
2010-04-10 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-10 16:10 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 16:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-10 17:06 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 16:42 ` Davis Herring
2010-04-10 17:11 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 17:16 ` Davis Herring
2010-04-10 17:54 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 18:44 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-10 19:14 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 19:51 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-10 21:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-11 10:56 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-10 19:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-10 19:07 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 19:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-12 16:14 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-12 19:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-12 20:22 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-12 21:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-13 15:08 ` René Kyllingstad
2010-04-10 16:06 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-04-11 12:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-11 18:09 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-12 23:49 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-13 2:58 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-13 4:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-13 16:15 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-14 10:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-13 19:53 grischka
2010-04-10 17:33 A. Soare
2010-04-09 13:33 A. Soare
2010-04-01 16:52 Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-01 17:45 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 18:03 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 20:18 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 7:10 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 20:51 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02 6:49 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 9:21 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02 2:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-02 7:00 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 6:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 9:59 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-02 15:10 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-02 16:55 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-05 8:50 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-10 12:44 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 17:34 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-10 18:03 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-10 22:09 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 5:45 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 8:16 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 10:52 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-11 17:28 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-11 18:33 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-21 8:55 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 9:46 ` David Kastrup
2010-04-21 15:43 ` Juri Linkov
[not found] ` <jwv633k4rn2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2010-04-22 8:16 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22 15:08 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-23 8:33 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 13:54 ` Angelo Graziosi
2010-04-21 15:45 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-21 16:04 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-22 8:14 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22 16:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-24 18:45 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 16:53 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-23 18:02 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-23 18:28 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-24 9:17 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-24 14:41 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-24 18:49 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-24 19:24 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-25 5:36 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-25 9:15 ` martin rudalics
2010-04-10 19:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-02 16:19 ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02 18:31 ` Daniel Colascione
2010-04-02 20:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-03 6:29 ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-03 9:07 ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02 6:53 ` Uwe Siart
2010-04-02 7:25 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-04 11:01 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-02 12:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-04-01 13:07 Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 13:24 ` Leo
2010-04-01 18:02 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 20:13 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-09 23:27 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-09 23:54 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-10 0:17 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-10 2:56 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-11 1:06 ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-01 18:50 ` Chong Yidong
2010-04-01 20:08 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 20:09 ` Jan Djärv
2010-04-01 21:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-09 7:23 ` alin.s
2010-04-09 9:34 ` Jan D.
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