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[83.249.242.89]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g4sm6121507ljg.23.2016.11.30.13.58.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209841 Archived-At: Since some years there has been the intention of switching to Guile for = Emacs' Lisp needs. As I understand it one of the major issues to be = resolved is the lack of Guile unexec support, so would it not be prudent = to consider the implications for a (possible) future Guile Emacs? = Something along the lines of what Eli proposed (the =E2=80=9Done big = .elc=E2=80=9Dapproach) is a requested feature by one of the Guile = maintainers[1]. During the last few years there has been a fair amount of work put in to = modernise Emacs Lisp (lexical binding probably being the most notable = accomplishment). Still, Emacs Lisp has a long way to go to match a = high-quality Scheme implementation. So I am wondering if the time used to play catch-up with modern Lisps = would not be better spent by integrating Guile? There seems to have been = a lot of focus on performance in Guile the last few years and it also = comes with good concurrency support (which has been another area of = focus in Emacs). Recently another concurrency mechanism which may be a = better fit than threads has also appeared in Guile [2]. There has also = been discussion of making it easier for recruit new Emacs developers. I = believe that adopting Guile and Scheme would be the single most = important step towards this aim.=20 Given the number of talented hackers in the Emacs and Guile community I = would say that making Guile-Emacs a reality is a definitely possible. = However, it would probably require to work together actively towards = this goal, as opposed to fragmented hacking by single developers. -Tobias [1]: https://wingolog.org/archives/2016/02/04/guile-compiler-tasks [2]: https://github.com/wingo/fibers